

Does anyone know if this is true? 48 businesses announce major layoffs
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:01 PM


#2
Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:17 PM
- Robert A. Heinlein
When I don’t understand, I have an unbearable itch to know why. - RAH
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#3
Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:26 PM
#4
Posted 09 November 2012 - 08:46 PM
That's massive? "Massive" layoffs are when HUGE companies furlough large percentages of their workforce.
When Pepsi laid off 8,700 workers earlier this year, pre-election, it still left them with a workforce numbering nearly 300,000. The percentage of the cut was 2.9%.
Lockeheed Martin laid off 10,000 people earlier this year -- again, pre-election -- and that was 8.1% of its workforce. That is a significant lay off, with 10,000 more planned if the sequester takes effect.
This is kind of like how Dick Morris predicted a 300 electoral vote landslide for Romney -- but then described Obama's 332 electoral vote win as "a squeaker."
A lot of economists predicted that no matter who won the election, that president would benefit from a cyclical recovery that would be seen as a vindication of his policies over the other guy's, post hoc ergo propter hoc style. Really, what business wants is for us to find a permanent solution to this fiscal cliff bullsh*t. They will accept higher tax rates on top earners as long as they are bundled with deficit reduction packages. And Obama's jobs bill would go a long way to making both Wall Street and more importantly Main Street confident going forward.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 09:53 PM


#6
Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:29 AM
http://www.examiner....cid=db_articles
Mitt Romney cuts off campaign workers credit cards, leaves workers stranded
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Many campaign workers found themselves in restaurants, or cabs with an anxious vendor waiting to be paid and the staffer's credit cards declined. Mitt Romney left them holding the bag, and he was no longer willing to foot the bill. Some workers found themselves stranded in strange cities across the nation, hundreds or thousands of miles from home, without a penny in their pocket and no plan of action to take next....

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#7
Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:35 AM
http://www.examiner....ed?CID=obinsite
Thousands demand recount after fake news said military ballots weren't counted
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The Duffel Blog states their site is a faux news site openly and proudly in their “about us” section. The site claims that its existence serves to provide men and women of the military with a laugh. Writers for The Duffel Blog are all people military background. They bluntly state that no writing on the website could be regarded as truthful and that they do not intend to inflict emotional harm. Despite their wishes, many Mitt Romney supporters may be upset after they realize the reason for their outrage was all a joke....

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#8
Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:14 AM
http://www.nytimes.c....html?_r=1&
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His No. 1 priority, so far: establishing a system to organize the 400 résumés of those staff members whose paychecks will run out in 21 days.
Though this article only mentions 400 resumes.... his 400 most important staffers possibly?
Edited by sierraleone, 10 November 2012 - 08:18 AM.
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Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
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#9
Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:44 PM
Does that mean people are still going to post mockery of their political opposites here now?
Is there still an official narrative of who is really in denial, who is really desparate, and what other people really mean when they say something?
I had seen a post taht was easy to dismiss. Few of the facilities cited were laying off workers as a direct result of the election.
There was a matter of sequestration layoff notices, and Obama not wanting the federally required notices to be sent out before the election.
There certainly will be cuts in military spending. That will mean layoffs.
There certainly will be a reshuffling of medical care offices, probably resulting in a "big box" scenario among surviving providers.
But really, if everyone is still going to repost HuffPo articles rather than get at real truths, this is a stale forum.
#10
Posted 11 November 2012 - 10:28 AM
- Robert A. Heinlein
When I don’t understand, I have an unbearable itch to know why. - RAH
Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done. One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen. - RAH
#11
Posted 11 November 2012 - 11:59 AM
Actually, the lefty blog that had the top search results was ThingProg.
#12
Posted 11 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

Darth, I really do understand what you're saying. But I hardly think asking for clarification about layoff rumors is taking a pot shot at Republicans, but asking a simple question.
As for the rumors about Romney cutting off his staff, I may disagree with his political beliefs but I can't see him doing that.
Edited by Rhea, 11 November 2012 - 06:21 PM.
- Robert A. Heinlein
When I don’t understand, I have an unbearable itch to know why. - RAH
Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done. One could write a history of science in reverse by assembling the solemn pronouncements of highest authority about what could not be done and could never happen. - RAH
#13
Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:50 PM
Rhea, on 11 November 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:
plus HuffPost is also a reliable source. you want unreliable, that'd be Fox.
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#14
Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:44 PM
Cheile, on 13 November 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:
Rhea, on 11 November 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:
plus HuffPost is also a reliable source. you want unreliable, that'd be Fox.
FNC certainly isn't 100% reliable, and neither is any other source.
Perhaps you have a different definition of unreliable though.
We can stipulate taht FNC tilts hard to the right, in political terms.
But in terms of "FNC lies" no one can honestly make that case. They do issue retractions and corrections. They do make an honest effort to present alternative sides of stories.
So, I challenge the received wisdom of the left that FNC just cannot be trusted, or should be dismissed.
HufPo has plenty of opinion pieces which get facts wrong, or tilt on an ideological basis.
But in short, the campaign is over. If the "left" is going to continue campign tactics, like the effort to paint Papa John's founder as a fringe lunatic for describing how Obamacare is going to affect employment and pricing at the chain, then we are frankly going back to a Breitbartian "War it is" mentality.
I had hoped that the left woould be more gracious in electoral victory, but since I am not seeing that, I'll be putting on my rhetorical fatigues and march back into the trench.
#15
Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:00 PM
DarthMarley, on 15 November 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
No, as a monster for cutting hours on the folks unfortunate enough to be in his employment. And Breitbart lied by edit. NPR demonstrated his methods by releasing full footage and showing how his cuts and recontexting distorted the actual events.
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Speaking of rhetorical, I think it may be time for another EI muster. Who else actually served in the military, besides me? Any branch, any country.

The once and future Nonny
"Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank, give a man a bank and he can rob the world." Can anyone tell me who I am quoting? I found this with no attribution.
Fatal miscarriages are forever.
Stupid is stupid, this I believe. And ignorance is the worst kind of stupid, since ignorance is a choice. Suzanne Brockmann
All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot
#16
Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:27 PM
Nonny, on 15 November 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:
DarthMarley, on 15 November 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
No, as a monster for cutting hours on the folks unfortunate enough to be in his employment.
THANK YOU, Nonny. instead of feeling sorry for these *a$$h*le CEOs with their bloated bank accounts whining because they'd rather make their workers (who are actually the ones who MAKE their money) suffer instead of raising their prices by a measly 14 cents so that those same workers may actually enjoy the human right of accessible healthcare, try seeing them for what they are. GREEDY.
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#17
Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:52 PM
Nonny, on 15 November 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:
DarthMarley, on 15 November 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:
No, as a monster for cutting hours on the folks unfortunate enough to be in his employment. And Breitbart lied by edit. NPR demonstrated his methods by releasing full footage and showing how his cuts and recontexting distorted the actual events.
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Speaking of rhetorical, I think it may be time for another EI muster. Who else actually served in the military, besides me? Any branch, any country.
NPR (assulinmg you are reacting to the Sherrod case) pointed out an error.
The hated breitbart indicated that he only received the edited footage initially, which indeed was incendiary.
But you insist that this means he lied.
This is the problem going forward.
If we can't agree on what constitues a lie, then we might as well abandon judicial efforts at establishing criminal intent, since any liberal can assert intent of others at will.
Face it, you either understand the meaning of the word "lie" or you don't. You understand the difference between being wrong and deliberately making false claims or you don't.
And if you don't, then what is there you can credibly add to any policy debate?
People in charge of payrolls react to government regulations and their impact on profit.
Blaming somone reacting to Obamacare is silly if you are not willing to re-examine Obamacare and how it has unintended negative consequences like this.
It isn't as if people were not stating in advance this would happen.
Calling people monsters doens't lend credibility to any claim.
#19
Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:14 PM
In our law, we distinguish various levels of murder on down to involuntary manslaughter.
An accident is not the same as depraved indifference to human life.
Telling people I trust something that isn't true, but I do not know is untrue might mean I am incompetent at deciphering truth, but doesn't make me a liar.
Incompetence can be innocent, while actual malice requires knowledge that actions will likely cause harm.
#20
Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:02 PM
Edited by Lin731, 15 November 2012 - 08:03 PM.


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