Nikcara, on 17 February 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:
As a non-Christian, if someone was able to scientifically prove the existence of God then yes, I'd be far more likely to convert than I am now.
Convert to what? I am an atheist... if someone was able to scientifically prove the existence of a God... or perhaps something even something like intelligent design, I might have to rethink my beliefs. But why would I automatically look to any specific religion, current or dead?
I may be reading more into this than what you meant, but your statement, starting as "as I am a non-Christain" seems to imply you would be far more likely to convert to Christianity, and I don't understand how scientific proof of the existence of God would automatically impel someone who is a non-Christain (which may include followers of other religions' God(s), not just agnostic and atheists and people of various non-specified spiritual beliefs) to convert to any religion.
One may think, if the existence of a God was scientifically proven, that s/he has chosen to speak to humankind in the past (though one could only speculate on whether there would be any proof of that), and one may think they have solely use one religion as a messenger (or various religions have gotten the message wrong, or had only been inspired thru a cosmic game of telephone and never directly gotten a message from God), but that would seem to be far from provable. Even if God himself came down and told us it is not hard evidence, for those who require such. No science would yet prove that God is being honest with us (or that s/he wasn't dishonest in the past). One may explore all the religion for messages, and they may find spiritual inspiration, but I'd feel they'd be grasping at straws for finding God's message for us. That assumes some intelligent designer of the cosmos (if that is one's concept of God) wants to talk to us.
I am basically an atheist. I certainly of strong beliefs about how people should treat one another despite this
Whenever I think about religions though, I feel wide-eyed at the conceit that some people feel they know that God has very specific desires in how we should live, think, feel, do, say and believe. From gender roles, expression, sexuality, what we eat, what we wear, etc. Simply, it seems insanity to me.
I can think about what if I believed, for sure, that God existed? But I have trouble using religions as my guide to my own formations of what God is. Looking at the old testament I just think, if God is like that (and there isn't massive mis-intrepretation or hasn't been massive change in God), that I want nothing to do with that being. If God is being horrible represented by religion, why would I want to convert to any of them?
What is God? (going with the assumption of one God at the moment
Creator of the universe?
Sustainer of the universe?
Unchanging? Or changing? (for example, old testament verses new testament. Did God change, or not?)
Omniscience? (infinite/unlimited knowledge)
Omnipotent? (unlimited power)
Omnipresent (present everywhere)
Omnibenevolence? (perfect goodness)
Some would argue all of the above, that it is just our small brains, but reconciling all those characteristics isn't easy. Maybe that is why faith is required
Saying God is perfect but our world (and the people in it) isn't and even though he has the power to change it (or to have designed the world/us better in the first place!) isn't easy to understand. So, for me, I figure that think this is what some people have to believe to feel better about the more unpalatable aspects of life as we know it. Because if their God is as advertised I figure such a God either designed badly and/or such a God wants it this way and I would not able to bring myself to respect such a God for that. Or God is remote and/or busy with other things (which sort of contradict God's advertised powers doesn't it?).
Edited by sierraleone, 17 February 2013 - 03:23 PM.