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#21 Virgil Vox

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:22 PM

^I agree with everything you said. It's sad when I don't laugh during an episode of Community. This used be a show that made me laugh til my sides hurt. Now it can barely get a chuckle out of me.

I will say that once the professor was tied up and started playing mind-games the episode did get more interesting. Not funny, but interesting. I always like it when they explore the dynamic of the group. It shows just how messed up and yet perfect for each other these characters really are. I found it surprising but believable that Shirley was in competition with Annie for valedictorian. It also makes sense that Troy would be somewhat jealous of Britta's relationship with Jeff since it was basically all about the sex with those two.

I didn't like Chang here, but that's because I want the group to wise up to his schemes all ready. At least it did move his plot of destroying Greendale and the study group forward a little bit. I also wished they hadn't brought back the darkest time-line. It was funny in Remedial Chaos Theory but it didn't work here. I'm afraid it's going to be brought up again since Dark Jeff said they had to deal with the prime time-line. Please, just no.

Only three episodes left to the season (and likely series) finale. I actually have some hope for the next episode since it was written by Jim Rash. After that, I just hope the characters get a good send-off and that I get a few chuckles from the episodes.
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#22 Josh

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:37 PM

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Yup. And it helps that Malcolm McDowell is usually an engaging performer. The problem I had is that the show has basically done this story before where it deconstructs the group (notably in the very funny episode where Annie loses her pen) and there were no real new insights to be found here. Part of me wonders if the Chang material would work better if the writers hadn't revealed him to be a fraud so early on. Now, every time he's on screen, I want him to go away because his Kevin schtick wasn't funny to begin with and because we all know he's faking it, it's just drawing that entire plot out endlessly.

The darkest timeline tag was embarrassing. I have no idea what they were going for there. It made me cringe.
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#23 Virgil Vox

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 11:50 PM

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The darkest timeline tag was embarrassing. I have no idea what they were going for there. It made me cringe.

Glad I wasn't alone. It was bizarre and out of left field. Why they brought that back now is a mystery. The darkest time-line stuff should have been left in season 3.

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Yup. And it helps that Malcolm McDowell is usually an engaging performer. The problem I had is that the show has basically done this story before where it deconstructs the group (notably in the very funny episode where Annie loses her pen) and there were no real new insights to be found here.

True, we didn't learn anything new but the fact that it was Malcolm McDowell doing the deconstructing made it more entertaining than it would have been. Oh, the Annie's pen episode. Another great one. I feel like we spend more time talking about past good episodes than we do about the current ones.

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Part of me wonders if the Chang material would work better if the writers hadn't revealed him to be a fraud so early on. Now, every time he's on screen, I want him to go away because his Kevin schtick wasn't funny to begin with and because we all know he's faking it, it's just drawing that entire plot out endlessly.

It just might work better had they done it that way. I agree that it's not funny whether we know if he's faking or not, but not knowing might at least make his scenes a tad more entertaining. I really hope that his story is wrapped up quickly in the final three episodes so we can focus on the study group.
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It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job: it's a depression when you lose yours.
-- Harry S. Truman

#24 Josh

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 10:50 PM

Tonight's episode of Community was easily the best of the season, not overwhelming with laughs but there were still enough of them that I didn't feel cheated for watching it. And just to make it even better, they actually gave the Britta/Troy romance relevance (by ending it, granted, but still). I was especially impressed by Jim Rash's Jeff impression (and he also wrote this episode, very talented man). My favorite moment was when the Dean (as Jeff) insulted Leonard with a juicy one-liner. Actually, most of my favorite moments were with that plot, like Annie's sudden attraction to the Dean.

My only criticism is that the real Jeff was played far too angrily this week. I get that the character is angry over the project but it was really jarring, scene after scene (until the calmer pep talk to Troy).
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#25 NeuralClone

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 11:00 PM

Yeah, Jeff was WAY too angry overall this week. I could understand maybe a scene or two. But scene after scene was too much.

My favorite parts had to do with the "body swapping" plots, naturally. Annie suddenly becoming attracted to the Dean was hilarious. And the Troy/Abed impersonations were spot on.
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#26 Virgil Vox

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:58 AM

Agree that this was one of the best episodes of the season. I figured it would be since Jim Rash wrote it. I liked all the same parts you guys did. The body swapping stuff was great. Troy and Abed playing each other was spot on perfect. Same with the Dean playing Jeff. It was scary how easily the Dean was able to slip into Jeff mode, and funnier than hell that Annie was attracted to him. And the scene at the end where the Dean talks about having Jeff inside him had me laughing harder than any episode so far this season.

While I liked the Britta/Troy pairing, I wasn't sad to see it go. Not much was done with it and we didn't see them acting like a couple all that much. Plus, Abed as Troy breaking up wit Britta and then Troy coming in to do it right were great scenes.

If there is one thing I think this season has gotten right it's Pierce. They have really tried to move him away from his racist, sexist old man persona. He still is a racist, sexist old man but they've given him scenes where he shows that he is more than that. Like finishing up all the banners while the rest of the group left, or getting the singer to come to Britta's dance and telling Jeff to be nicer to her, or sharing a nice moment with Jeff at the barbershop.

Jeff was angry, but I can kind of understand it. He needs to pass the class and he is ready to graduate. Plus, if I had two friends who pretended to swap bodies and refused to work on a project I'd be mad too. Then Annie and Shirley left to deal with their valedictorian drama. So I don't think he was too angry.
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It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job: it's a depression when you lose yours.
-- Harry S. Truman

#27 Virgil Vox

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:16 PM

Okay, so two episodes for the price of one this time around. Heroic Origins was a good episode. Not all that funny, but that's to be expected in Community 2.0. What worked was showing how far the characters have come and how they were always tied together. It was nice, taking a look back. I loved that the Dean's, um, other side might have been unleashed because of Shirley's lingerie.

The resolution to Chang's plotline was a pleasant surprise. He had been earning everyone's trust so he could pocket Greendale's lease payment. If they miss one payment, the college gets turned into a casino. We also learn that he was working with Dean Spreck, which wasn't all that surprising. What was surprising is that it was Abed's acceptance of Chang and welcoming him to the group that stopped Chang from screwing over Greendale. Chang has just wanted to be accepted by the group for the longest time, so it was a nice end to his storyline.

Advanced Introduction to Finality was a lot better than I thought it would be. My main complaint is that it was horribly rushed and really needed to be an hour long. I was afraid that the writers had gone off the deep end and really had the evil study group come into the main timeline, but of course it was all in Jeff's head. He was waging a battle against himself because he wasn't sure about his future. So in that context it worked.

I liked all the shenanigans the evil doubles got up to. It was worth it to see the Dean in a wedding dress crying his eyes out and yelling at Jeff. I liked the line where Annie tells her double that no one sleeps with Jeff, not even her.

Not sure we needed the high tech paintball. Maybe if they had had more time it would have worked, but here it just came off as a desperate ploy to appease fans. I like the idea of the study group having a paintball fight with their evil selves, but not the execution of said idea.

And of course we would get one last obligatory shot of Jeff in the tightest underwear known to man. If only the Dean had turned around.

So they found a way to write Pierce out of the show gets a new season. He finally graduates along with Jeff. Honestly, Pierce had nothing to do in the episode and if by some miracle the show gets another season his character being gone won't be a detriment.

Nice to see the Human Being again, along with several recurring students. They even brought in the impostor Dean and gave a shout-out to Star Burns. They didn't do anything, but I am glad the episode acknowledged them in some capacity. Though I didn't see Magnitude anywhere in the episode.

Jeff graduates, while the rest are still at the college and will be taking astronomy together. Jeff will be working at a small local law firm and said he can drop by anytime. It's a fitting end for the show but leaves enough leeway for another season.

I guess I'm okay with this as a series finale. It offers some closure, shows just how far Jeff has come since the pilot, gives us one last Troy and Abed in the Morning, and had some funny moments. I'd rather end the show here than get another season of mediocrity. I stuck with the show this season because I figured it would be the last. If they return and the show doesn't improve not sure if I could do it again. It's sad to see Community end, but I'll always cherish those first three great seasons and four seasons of these characters is better than none at all.
"You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you. They will stumble. They will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders."
--Jor-El


It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job: it's a depression when you lose yours.
-- Harry S. Truman

#28 Josh

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:29 PM

I HATED the finale, just disastrous. Instead of spending the time to really explore Jeff's feelings on graduating, they went with this terribly executed, cheap-looking darkest timeline crap, a concept which should have been dropped after the third season. The paintball battle in particular was an embarrassment, clunky as all hell. There could have been some really cool moments with the study group fighting their evil counterparts but you certainly didn't see it here. This left no time for the actual graduation, which was horrifically rushed. I get that they needed to rush Chevy Chase out of there but his "I'll graduate first!" moment was anti-climatic and disappointing. Jeff's speech was sweet but rang false to me given how badly he's been behaving for most of the season (but especially the last three episodes). And as usual, there were no laughs to be found.

The biggest problem the show has had this season is that they aren't committing to their ideas. It's happened over and over again in almost every episode, where they come up with something that could be cool and then either half ass it or worse, drop it halfway through the episode. Budget cuts are a likely factor but if you can't pull off the ideas, don't do them in the first place. Also, the character writing has been questionable. This season, potentially interesting character arcs have been started and then dropped unceremoniously, leaving me wondering why they bothered at all. Troy and Britta was completely botched, Jeff and his dad got one episode, nothing after. Abed had a girlfriend... for one episode. What happened to her? This was a major character moment for him and should have been followed up on.

I'll admit that I was especially cranky watching the finale because I watched "Heroic Origins" just before it and while it had some interesting moments, wasn't funny at all and completely botched the Chang plot. While Chang's desperate approval to be liked has been a consistent character trait from the beginning, having him completely ditch his evil plan after one Abed conversation was like a brick being dropped on the ground. All setup, no payoff. But then, what else did I expect, given the rest of the writing this season?

If they want me to watch the show next season, they need to completely restructure their writing team. Ditch the current showrunners, maybe give Jim Rash a much-needed promotion (as unlikely as that is given his workload as the Dean). And stop trying to ape Dan Harmon because they can't pull it off. Community can no longer be the Community of the first three seasons. It needs to evolve into something else and the sooner they figure that out, the better.
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