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#41 Cait

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

I live in California, so Feinstein and Boxer are my senators.  I don't love, love them, but I certainly don't hate them either.

I do admire a few Senators in the Senate, and at one point had a mad political crush on Sheldon Whitehouse D-RI.  I even thought about moving to Rhode Island.  [Seriously, I did]  He is one of the few Senators that I admire because he works at it, doesn't really grandstand, and knows what he is doing.  I wish he wanted higher office, because I would vote for him.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

I have to admit that I really liked Kay Bailey Hutchinson who preceeded Ted Cruz.  And John Cornyn is okay.

Never was crazy about most of their positions on issues but they were pleasant and friendly at campaign events and it was hard (especially with KBH) to not feel like they cared about all of their constituents even if their positions were not your own.

Ted Cruz...he's new but he hasn't impressed me yet.

How many have met their Senators in person?  (either on the campaign trail or in meet-and-greets)

Edited by Tricia, 26 March 2013 - 03:31 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 03:31 PM

View PostCait, on 26 March 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

I live in California, so Feinstein and Boxer are my senators.  I don't love, love them, but I certainly don't hate them either.

I do admire a few Senators in the Senate, and at one point had a mad political crush on Sheldon Whitehouse D-RI. I even thought about moving to Rhode Island. [Seriously, I did]  He is one of the few Senators that I admire because he works at it, doesn't really grandstand, and knows what he is doing.  I wish he wanted higher office, because I would vote for him.

OMG!!!!  LOL, last night I was doing my reading for my American History class and I was enamored with Rhode Island, how it got it's start.  Roger Williams and then later Anne Hutchinson  were exiled there. Swear to the heavens above I thought it would be my kind of place.

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#44 Cait

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 05:01 PM

View PostBobby, on 26 March 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

View PostCait, on 26 March 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

I live in California, so Feinstein and Boxer are my senators.  I don't love, love them, but I certainly don't hate them either.

I do admire a few Senators in the Senate, and at one point had a mad political crush on Sheldon Whitehouse D-RI. I even thought about moving to Rhode Island. [Seriously, I did]  He is one of the few Senators that I admire because he works at it, doesn't really grandstand, and knows what he is doing.  I wish he wanted higher office, because I would vote for him.

OMG!!!!  LOL, last night I was doing my reading for my American History class and I was enamored with Rhode Island, how it got it's start.  Roger Williams and then later Anne Hutchinson  were exiled there. Swear to the heavens above I thought it would be my kind of place.

I fell in love with Whitehouse as a Senator during the Gonzales hearings way back when.  Whitehouse was a prosecutor at some point in his career and he questioned Gonzales and actually asked questions I wanted the answers to.  He didn't grandstand, and I would not have known which political party he belonged to by his questions, if I hadn't looked it up.  Every other Senator was posturing for the cameras and for votes, and I was so angry.  I mean it was just such a waste of time IMO.

But Whithouse actually asked questions and got some answers. He knew what was going on.  He showed a graph that showed the comparison between the Clinton DoJ and the Administration Vs. the Bush DoJ and Bush's administration.  I hadn't known that previous Presidents had put a wall between the WH and the DoJ so there was as little political influence as possible.  Whitehouse had stats on how much that had changed during the Bush years.  It was a question I'd have never thought to even ask, and the answer was so revealing that I actually felt the entire committee hearing was worth it to me.  All the others gave speeches, asked stupid partisan question, and I learned nothing.

I felt served by Whitehouse that day.  I felt the nation was served that day.  And, any state that is smart enough to elect that kind of public servant, is my kind of state.  

Every Dem in the world was out to "get" Gonzales and by extension "get" Bush.  The rhetoric was deafening back then, and I got caught up in it too for a while.  But, after I heard Whitehouse and heard the answers Gonzales gave, and the info Whitehouse had on hand about it, I calmed down.  It wasn't that big "gotcha" most Dems were looking for, but it was actual information you could use to judge the situation. The answer in the end, was that the wall between the DoJ and the Administration had simply fell away and the DoJ had become too politicized.  Not the big crimes and misdemeanors a lot of Dems were looking for, but a situation that did need some correcting.

I've been a fan of the Senator ever since.  I even have him "liked" on FB.  I believe he is a good public servant.

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#45 scherzo

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

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Ok, we've established that Nonny thinks her senators are great, others think they are morons.
Kota's post reveals Feinstein to be an outright liar, and also illustrates my earlier point about Statist incrementalism. If that's "neener neener" it's WEAPONS GRADE neener in a depleted uranium shell casing. :flex:

In a sane world, the obvious duplicity of Nonny's beloved Senator would be much greater cause for alarm than Ted Cruz' supposed rudeness. But I've known for some time now that little things like integrity no longer matter in politics. It all about liberal superstars advancing the ball for the team. Brazen lies make up half the damn playbook.

So...not a single comment about the fraud of people like Feinstein paying lip service to a second amendment she couldn't care less about. I could almost understand how some might consider the deceit justified, as a means to a much desired totalitarian end. But these same people will go on to impugn anyone who suggests that total confiscation of all firearms is the real endgame. It's all kinda hard to stomach.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 09:33 PM

View Postscherzo, on 26 March 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

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Ok, we've established that Nonny thinks her senators are great, others think they are morons.
Kota's post reveals Feinstein to be an outright liar, and also illustrates my earlier point about Statist incrementalism. If that's "neener neener" it's WEAPONS GRADE neener in a depleted uranium shell casing. :flex:

In a sane world, the obvious duplicity of Nonny's beloved Senator would be much greater cause for alarm than Ted Cruz' supposed rudeness. But I've known for some time now that little things like integrity no longer matter in politics. It all about liberal superstars advancing the ball for the team. Brazen lies make up half the damn playbook.

So...not a single comment about the fraud of people like Feinstein paying lip service to a second amendment she couldn't care less about. I could almost understand how some might consider the deceit justified, as a means to a much desired totalitarian end. But these same people will go on to impugn anyone who suggests that total confiscation of all firearms is the real endgame. It's all kinda hard to stomach.

Feinstein probably would outlaw guns if she could, but I don't think she has some socialist/facist agenda envisioned on her part.  Her personal experiences have lead her to her stance on the issue.  I think her motives are well intentioned but as you point out, they could lead to a totalitarian end through someone else's machinations.   Cait summed up my opinion on the whole thing on the first page, both of them are playing politics.  Ted Cruz is just using any and every opportunity to get the media to talk about him, he's more about publicity and getting his name out there than anything.  He knows that Feinstein knows the Constitution and she looked silly letting an upstart get her dander up.

The whole notion of paying respect to politicians who have been there longer is just a part of the B.S. polititians use to make themselves feel better and superior.  Each new election cycle is the start of a new term in office, they are all equal, in my opinion, blowing smoke up each other's A$$es as a sign of respect takes up too much time.  Managing to get re-elected doesn't make them wiser and they can become complacent but Ted Cruz should get a clue, even if you are right being an uppity prick won't get you far with many people.  It might make people hem and haw say "he told her," but he has to work with those people in order to get things done, he's not a totalitarian monarch, he just has the delusion's of granduer that they usually do.  He's the one that's gonna make everything right in the world!  Don't let him be your Obama!  Don't worship at the alter, the kool-aide is already being passed around!  Spit, don't swallow!

#47 Mark

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 01:01 AM

Mark: Just so all of you will know exactly whatTed Cruz believes in, and what he does and doesn't support...
From Votesmart.org...  http://votesmart.org...05/ted-cruz  

"Ted Cruz refused to tell citizens where he stands on any of the issues addressed in the 2012 Political Courage Test, despite repeated requests from Vote Smart, national media, and prominent political leaders."

What is the Political Courage Test? Read that link, and the Votesmart website will tell you.

"In response to the increasing unwillingness of candidates to answer issue questions, Project Vote Smart has researched Presidential and Congressional candidates' public records to determine candidates' likely responses on certain key issues. These are provided below as a courtesy to voters."

This link... http://votesmart.org...35705/ted-cruz/  will take you to the web page detailing their findings on Cruz's probable test answers given his political history.

Vote Smart's Research
  • Gun Owners of America. Project Vote Smart: Interest Group Endorsements. 04/18/2012. Gun Owners of America endorsed Ted Cruz in the 2012 general election. (votesmart.org)
  • Ted Cruz. Facebook: Wall. 7 February 2012. "LIKE if you agree we need to continue fighting tirelessly to defend the Second Amendment!" (www.facebook.com)
  • Ted Cruz. Leading the Fight for the 2nd Amendment. 21 February 2012. "Ted Cruz has led the way in defense of our right to keep and bear arms. He led a coalition of 31 states protecting the 2nd Amendment by challenging the unconstitutional ban on gun rights in Washington, D.C." (www.tedcruz.org)
  • Ted Cruz. The Dallas Morning News: 2012 U.S. Senate Voter Guide. Responded "Authored a brief on behalf of 31 states supporting the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. The ban on firearms was struck down in a 5-4 landmark decision before the U.S. Supreme Court" to the question: "What is an example of how you led a team or group toward achieving an important goal?" (c3.thevoterguide.org)
Of course, the NRA, and GOA is now worshiping the ground Cruz walks on...
Recent Interest Group Ratings
Span Name Rating 2012 Gun Owners of America Ratings on Gun Rights - Elected to 113th Congress [12/2012] 83% 2012 National Rifle Association Candidate Positions on Gun Rights
100%

I noticed he had a nice campaign finance income, too!
Campaign Finances
Election Cycle 2012 Total Income $14,511,279.00 Total Spent $14,031,864.00 Cash On Hand $479,413.00 Debt $904,178.00 Source OpenSecrets.org Updated 12/31/2012

Since he also represents Texas in the Senate, he is MY Senator by definition. I thought a bit of investigation into his background and past political stances may be helpful for me to know, so I looked him up and read his biography, and other things like this Project Votesmart website. I just thought I'd share some of my findings with you, so you may get to know this new Senator a little better.
Whether or not I will end up "loving him" or not, will depend on his continuing performance. So far, only his education and success in his professional career appeal to me.

Edited by Mark, 27 March 2013 - 01:04 AM.

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#48 Nonny

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 06:51 AM

Must leave early this morning, so no time to check just how far out of context somebody's words can be and still be labeled a lie, and will be traveling through Easter Monday, but if anybody else has a senator they so much as like, please jump in.  Thanks.   :)
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Posted 27 March 2013 - 10:54 AM

Hypocrisy at it's best


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"..As San Francisco's mayor, she was vehemently anti-gun and drew the wrath of many honest citizens, including a very clever caricature artist. She demonstrated enormous hypocrisy when it was revealed that she possessed the ONLY concealed firearm permit in the city of San Francisco.

Apparently without shame, she participated in a city wide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the  donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the melt-down, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self defense!"



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The mainstream news media have been aware that several antigun proponents are carrying concealed firearms but have failed to expose this hypocrisy.

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Senator Diane Feinstein on the Left Coast who possesses something more rare than a conservative Republican in San Francisco – an unrestricted concealed weapons permit. Apparently without shame, she participated in a citywide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self-defense.


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#50 Tricia

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:53 AM

So....

No one else is going to weigh in on their own Senators?

How good or bad they are?   Do you support them or do you not? Have they helped you with a problem or listened to you or responded (with more than a form letter) when contacted?

Politicians can and do say contradictory things or just plain wrong things. We all have seen that.   That's nothing new and I'm very sure that no matter how new to the political game one is, there are falsehoods and mis-statements intentional or deliberate that can be pointed out from any politician....no matter which side of the aisle they are on.

BTW you can be a gun owner and still want better gun control measures, background checks, enforcement, limitations on type of guns or ammunition types or clip sizes. etc.  You don't have to be a strictly either/or type person when it comes to gun control, you can be in favor of some limits.

Edited by Tricia, 27 March 2013 - 12:17 PM.

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#51 Balderdash

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

View PostKota, on 27 March 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Hypocrisy at it's best


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"..As San Francisco's mayor, she was vehemently anti-gun and drew the wrath of many honest citizens, including a very clever caricature artist. She demonstrated enormous hypocrisy when it was revealed that she possessed the ONLY concealed firearm permit in the city of San Francisco.

Apparently without shame, she participated in a city wide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the  donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the melt-down, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self defense!"



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The mainstream news media have been aware that several antigun proponents are carrying concealed firearms but have failed to expose this hypocrisy.

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Senator Diane Feinstein on the Left Coast who possesses something more rare than a conservative Republican in San Francisco – an unrestricted concealed weapons permit. Apparently without shame, she participated in a citywide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self-defense.


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LOL, really?  According to your links Dianne Feinstein is a legal gun owner.  It's not like she's trying to take away anyone's legal gun or guns so she's not really a hypocrite.  Lots of Democrats are legal gun owners.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:06 PM

Kristin Gillibrand is fantastic.  I adore her.    

Chuck Schumer is an excellent senator, a great communicator, powerful advocate, and consensus builder.  He wins reelection by ridiculously huge margins - like 70%.  Not sure anyone would say they "love" him, though.  It's more like - we're glad he's on our side.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 12:11 PM

View PostBklnScott, on 27 March 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Kristin Gillibrand is fantastic.  I adore her.

Chuck Schumer is an excellent senator, a great communicator, powerful advocate, and consensus builder.  He wins reelection by ridiculously huge margins - like 70%.  Not sure anyone would say they "love" him, though.  It's more like - we're glad he's on our side.

You do realize that he may be a gun owner which according to some right wingers makes him a hypocrite.  I'm Googling my ass off but so far I'm not finding anything but ultra-right wing blogs that are saying these things.  But even if true, why would that keep him or Dianne Feinstein from calling for regulations on magazine size?

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#54 Kota

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 04:22 PM

View PostBalderdash, on 27 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

View PostKota, on 27 March 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Hypocrisy at it's best


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"..As San Francisco's mayor, she was vehemently anti-gun and drew the wrath of many honest citizens, including a very clever caricature artist. She demonstrated enormous hypocrisy when it was revealed that she possessed the ONLY concealed firearm permit in the city of San Francisco.

Apparently without shame, she participated in a city wide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the  donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the melt-down, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self defense!"



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The mainstream news media have been aware that several antigun proponents are carrying concealed firearms but have failed to expose this hypocrisy.

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Senator Diane Feinstein on the Left Coast who possesses something more rare than a conservative Republican in San Francisco – an unrestricted concealed weapons permit. Apparently without shame, she participated in a citywide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self-defense.


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LOL, really?  According to your links Dianne Feinstein is a legal gun owner.  It's not like she's trying to take away anyone's legal gun or guns so she's not really a hypocrite.  Lots of Democrats are legal gun owners.

here, I'll point to it  > she participated in a citywide gun turn-in - she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown,
while retaining her .357 magnum revolver


Trying to deceive the people by turning in a cheap gun
Makes her a hypocrite.
Good thing she had a crappy police guard who ratted her out

She's not trying to take away guns, are you sure?

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

View PostKota, on 27 March 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

View PostBalderdash, on 27 March 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

View PostKota, on 27 March 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

Hypocrisy at it's best


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"..As San Francisco's mayor, she was vehemently anti-gun and drew the wrath of many honest citizens, including a very clever caricature artist. She demonstrated enormous hypocrisy when it was revealed that she possessed the ONLY concealed firearm permit in the city of San Francisco.

Apparently without shame, she participated in a city wide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the  donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the melt-down, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self defense!"



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The mainstream news media have been aware that several antigun proponents are carrying concealed firearms but have failed to expose this hypocrisy.

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Senator Diane Feinstein on the Left Coast who possesses something more rare than a conservative Republican in San Francisco – an unrestricted concealed weapons permit. Apparently without shame, she participated in a citywide gun turn-in program that was intended to create some kind of statue from the donated guns that were to be melted down. One of her police body guards let it slip that she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown, while retaining her .357 magnum revolver for her own personal self-defense.


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LOL, really?  According to your links Dianne Feinstein is a legal gun owner.  It's not like she's trying to take away anyone's legal gun or guns so she's not really a hypocrite.  Lots of Democrats are legal gun owners.

here, I'll point to it  > she participated in a citywide gun turn-in - she contributed a cheap model for the meltdown,
while retaining her .357 magnum revolver


Trying to deceive the people by turning in a cheap gun
Makes her a hypocrite.
Good thing she had a crappy police guard who ratted her out

She's not trying to take away guns, are you sure?

I Googled and searched trying to independently verify because that site that you linked to doesn't even try to be unbiased it is a site meant
for you and people like you, it is not a site for me or one that I could trust to be honest.  You and Scherzo can continue to demean Nonny's
Senators, it seems a little mean to me but I guess if it's allowed then so be it or you could do as asked (several times) and talk about your
Senator that you like.  Oh and like most Democrats and liberals, we don't want your damned guns confiscated we want reasonable and
responsible gun regulations.

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 09:50 PM

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You and Scherzo can continue to demean Nonny's
Senators, it seems a little mean to me

Ahhh yes, demeaning Nonny's Senators...tsk tsk..

Nonny on Cruz

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Nonny:
No, it's a patronizing little oik trying to bait


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Nonny:
He is a stupid person

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Nonny:
do I think Ted Cruz is stupid, the answer is yes

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Nonny:
If Ted Cruz were today's Albert Einstein, he wouldn't be a nasty, patronizing, aggressive bully.

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Nonny:
then he is ignorant. he is a monster.

Not to mention all the other mean comments about Cruz, so please hold off telling me I'm demeaning anyone here.


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talk about your Senator that you like

I got nothin'


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we don't want your damned guns confiscated we want reasonable and
responsible gun regulations.

There is over 2,000 laws on the books about guns, enforcing those might work.
Or better yet try for tougher laws for those that commit crimes with guns. Slaps on
the hand never works.


And now it's time for you to chat about your beloved Senators,  that you like :smile2:

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Posted 27 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostKota, on 27 March 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

I got nothin'

aw, come on, Kota. You have senators, there must be something you like about at least one of them.

Well, I have two, one Republican, one Democrat. I don't "love" them, but I respect some of the work that they have done. Both have done well for my state, fighting for the farmers, etc... and both have, at times, been dumb as stumps. I feel that they should both think about retiring, but at the same time, I worry who would take their places. My two are: Chuck Grassley and Tom Harkin.
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:25 AM

I wish I had senators I liked to discuss. :)

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:38 AM

^^More often than not, I'm frustrated with my senators as well as the rest of the bunch and would prefer not to discuss them as the language can get rather blue and mama can't be setting a bad example, ya know? ;)

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

View PostOmega, on 28 March 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

I wish I had senators I liked to discuss. :)

I wish you did too.   :hugs:

This is a post and run, since I'm traveling.  I haven't read all posts, but am finding certain responses encouraging.  Thanks!   :happy:
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