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#41 Kota

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

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The bombers were, after all, US citizens (just like Timothy McVeigh).Hatred apparently knows no religious boundaries.

You are correct about hatred and only half right about citizenship

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One became an American citizen last year on Sept. 11. The other was a boxer who once said: “I like the USA.”
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Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, who was born in Kyrgyzstan and became a naturalized American citizen on Sept. 11, 2012, according to documents obtained by NBC News.
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Tamerlan Tsarnaev studied at Bunker Hill Community College in Boston and wanted to become an engineer, according to a profile that appeared in a Boston University magazine in 2010. He said that he hoped to become an American citizen and one day join the U.S. Olympic boxing team.


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#42 offworlder

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

maybe there was some mooslem profiling in this one?
it shows that these things are not just Boston or Texas, target is a train
line between Toronto and NY
http://www.cbc.ca/ne...ec-arrests.html

I bet it was ole fashion police work, intercepting hints regarding people not labels, and
then a sting trap on the people, but details will come out, on going dynamic story.
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#43 scherzo

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

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I bet it was ole fashion police work
Yep. Just your basic old school caper by Iranian backed Muslim terrorists to commit mass murder on a passenger train from Canada. I bet Officer Friday himself made the arrest. :thumbs-up:

I'm actually starting wonder if al Qaeda's hidden agenda is making sure I win this argument. :dontgetit:
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#44 scherzo

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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

Sucks being constantly proven right the hard way

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Blind Eye: Conciliatory FBI policies toward Islamism hampered probe into Boston bombers

The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s failure to recognize political Islam as a driver of jihadist terrorism is partly to blame for the FBI not identifying one of the Boston Marathon bombers in 2011 as a security risk, according to U.S. officials and private counterterrorism analysts.

The FBI revealed last week that it was warned by a foreign government in 2011 that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed Friday, was tied to “radical Islam” but the FBI was unable to confirm the links. “The fact is religion has been expunged from counterterrorism training,” said Sebastian Gorka, a counterterrorism specialist with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. “The FBI can’t talk about Islam and they can’t talk about jihad.”

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Critics said the FBI’s failure to properly investigate Tsarnaev was a repeat of the bureau’s lapse in missing advance signs of the Islamist radicalization of accused Fort Hood massacre shooter, Army Maj. Nidal Hasan.

The FBI had emails linking Hasan to al Qaeda operative Anwar al Awlaki prior to the 2009 shooting at the Texas Army base that killed 13 people and wounded 30 others.

The Obama administration has labeled that Islamist attack “workplace violence” as part of an overall policy of seeking to dissociate Islam from terrorism, a policy critics say fails to properly identify the nature of an enemy engaged in waging religiously inspired war and insurgency against the United States and its allies.

“Again, the FBI has been aware of a future terrorist’s escalating religious radicalization and did nothing about it because bureau policies prohibited them from doing so,” Poole said.
Political correctness has always been damn dangerous. Now that it's officially a killer, maybe it can be permanently expunged from actual policy? Somehow I doubt it. Look who's in charge. :(

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#45 Kota

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Posted 25 April 2013 - 09:14 AM

That's very damning evidence, not being able to talk about Islam and jihad -
Lets tie the hands of the FBI and have high exceptions of them to perform their job.


#46 DarthMarley

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:19 AM

View PostBad Wolf, on 20 April 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I'm on a mobile device and so not really able to fully articulate my antipathy for using "political correctness" as if it were a dirty term in the context of justifying a violation of civil rights.   In the US it actually IS the case that profiling is bad just because of race.  Why?  Because that's the law.  Racism is bad.Period.   If you want to advocate in favor of racism in a given situation then go for it but please at least have the intellectual integrity to admit that's what you're doing instead of using inane phrases like "political correctness" to pretend that you are not in fact advocating in favor of racism.

Okay, catching up on the thread.

It is a neat trick to use the pokitically correct impulse to stigmatize the phrase "politically correct." A bit of recursion.

Civil rights are not absolute and invioble.
When profiling is used to find a kidnapped child, or catch a violent offender, profiling is good. When profiling is used to oppress or sell, it is generally bad in my view.
But it is an effective tool.

From there you launch a personal attack, slightly qualified with "if" suggesting that I am advocating racism, and lack intellectual integrity.
How utterly charming, but utterly incongruent with you judging "intellectual integrity" in any way.
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