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#1 DWF

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 07:11 PM

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Unable to deal with Tommy and Diggle, Ollie takes down another name in the book.

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 09:49 PM

A pretty good one, and a pretty important one. Nice to get some flashbacks filling in the stuff before the island, and to see what the Undertaking is all about. I really felt for Malcolm when he told that story about his wife's phone call. I can understand the guilt and anger that drives him, though it's blinded him to basic morality. I mean, it's ultimately quite hypocritical to use his pain at his wife's death as his excuse for inflicting so much death and forcing so many other spouses and children and parents to experience the same grief.

And we see how massive and cataclysmic the Undertaking is, which is good to know, although it's a bit too reminiscent of Ra's al Ghul's plot in the third act of Batman Begins. Also, I'm a little unclear on why these rich folks can't just buy up all the land in the Glades anyway and gentrify it. (Not that that would really solve the problems, just push them somewhere else, but I'm skeptical that they'd have the good sense to practice a better form of urban renewal.) Why they'd feel the need for such massive destruction is unclear.

I wonder, did Moira know that Frank was the one who planted the bomb that killed Robert? Maybe that's part of why she was willing to sacrifice him to protect herself.

Nice to see Felicity get her first undercover gig -- and she cleans up real nice. I wonder what she'll do now that she's completed her mission to find Walter, though. Of course she'll end up staying with the team, and I have no doubt she'll be a main-cast regular next season (I think that's already been announced), but I wonder how it'll play out.

I also wonder why Walter's beard grew in captivity but his head remained totally shaved.
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Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

I swear, if this wasn't on right before Supernatural, I doubt I'd watch it. First, Oliver needs to get better at interrogating, and stop believing lying suspects. And his attiude sucks! He goes from "Diggle left cause he couldn't handle the choice I made, so screw him." to "Oh I'm sorry diggle." Not because he is truly sorry, but because he needs Diggle's help, so he is manipulating Diggle. He is worse then Malcolm is.

And now the underworld knows that felicity is the hood's partner. Casinos has hundreds of cameras, and given the available face recogniziton software out there, it would be no problem for them to figure out who she is. Very sloppy. And how not even one bullet hits Oliver in the casino? And don't even get me started on the stupidity level of the thugs in the hallway fight scene, or the absurdity of that outcome.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:51 AM

^  You are completely missing the point of costumed heroes.   Clark Kent.  HELLO?  

Anyways, this is a COMIC BOOK STORY.  

Stephen Amell, who's impressed me from the beginning was superb in this one.  The expression on his face when he realized his mother was lying to him after all...and ESPECIALLY his scene with Barrowman in the hospital....   I mean...WOW.

The only thing I would have wished for is that they pick up on the island cliffhanger from last week.  I mean...they *had*  just been captured.

Also, I now don't feel bad at all about the fact that Moira betrayed that guy to Merlyn in light of the fact that he was the one who planted the bomb on the boat.

And Ollie pre accident?  Jerkaroo.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:30 AM

I have to agree wtih Christopher about the plot being taken from Batman Begins but at least Ollie is learning and he did find Walter. Feleicity again looked great all dressed up, she's retty street smart for an IT girl and she was very composed under pressure, shes a nature as an undercover agent.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:23 AM

I think Felicity has it ALL over Laurel.  

Barrowman sure gives great villain.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

I'd like to know who was flying the plane that he parachuted out of....?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 06:54 PM

^  Oh I'm laying odds on his Aussie friend from the Island....
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:51 AM

Maybe...but somehow I doubt that they're actually very good friends at this point...Based both on Slade's status as a major villain in the comics and the mask with the arrow through it in the pilot, I have a feeling that their friendship won't survive the five years.

Really, the plane feels a bit like a throwaway - it happened so quick that maybe we weren't supposed to think about it too much - but it really doesn't make sense. He jumped out of it in full Arrow-garb in the middle of the night over a major city. Diggle's not talking to him at this point and I somehow doubt that Felicity can fly a plane. So whoever is flying that thing is either another accomplice of some sort or didn't know Ollie was there...In which case it was a pretty big coincidence that they were flying over that spot at just the right time.

Chances are they won't address it again, but this show has surprised me before, so I'm holding out hope....

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:00 AM

Woah...I didn't know that Slade ends up being a villain.  In that case my money is on the gal who taught him how to use a bow and arrow...
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:25 AM

Funny...I don't remember seeing any plane.  Or any other flying machine for that matter.  All I saw was him parachuteing onto the bad guy.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:29 AM

View PostPsiberian, on 04 May 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

Maybe...but somehow I doubt that they're actually very good friends at this point...Based both on Slade's status as a major villain in the comics and the mask with the arrow through it in the pilot, I have a feeling that their friendship won't survive the five years.

Except it's already been established that Slade's ex-partner Wintergreen also wears a mask like that. And Wintergreen is the one who tortured Oliver, the one who's still working for Fyers. So it's probably his mask that we saw in the pilot.

Besides, given how popular Manu Bennett has become in the role, I really doubt they'll pass up the chance to have him show up in the present.
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#13 Bad Wolf

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:58 AM

View PostLord Martock, on 04 May 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Funny...I don't remember seeing any plane.  Or any other flying machine for that matter.  All I saw was him parachuteing onto the bad guy.

I coulda sworn they made kind of a deal that Ollie would need to be dropped in.  I mean, he had to parachute from SOMEWHERE right?
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 11:46 AM

My apologies - I didn't think it was a spoiler, as Slade's identity in the comics is fairly well known (I'm playing Injustice now and he's one of my favourites). I'll put this next bit in spoilers then:
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Oh, I'm sure that we'll be seeing Slade in the present - But I just assume they'll be going the "friend turned enemy" route when we do. I mean, I suppose it's possible that that was Wintergreen's mask - but he's already dead, and that mask on the beach was almost 5 years in the future from this point. I think it's far more likely that at some point between now and then, Slade takes the mask back up and turns on Ollie. Deathstroke is far too well known as a dangerous villain for them to keep him as a good-guy...Sort of like Luthor on Smallville. Also: Don't forget where the arrow was in that mask...I'd say that's a big clue to anyone who knows Deathstroke...

And there was definitely a plane. I paused the show right after Ollie jumps and you can see the plane fly by. It almost looks military  - One of those planes with two props on each wing.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

I did see a plane, and of course the existence of a plane is a given whether we saw it or not, since he had to parachute from something.
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#16 Lord Martock

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

View PostChristopher, on 04 May 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

I did see a plane, and of course the existence of a plane is a given whether we saw it or not, since he had to parachute from something.

He did have to parachute from somewhere...but a plane is not a "given".  It could have been a glider...or even a helicopter.
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Posted 04 May 2013 - 09:35 PM

^He was going from Starling City to Blüdhaven, which presumably is a fair distance away. Helicopters are usually fairly short-range craft. And gliders need to be towed by powered craft anyway, so why would he add a totally unnecessary step?

Anyway, there was a plane.
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