Could you give us a few specifics? Like, is Null Space Theory derived from physics, or mathematics, electronics, or some other science? Is it pure theory or is it some kind of application?

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Kevin Street
, Jan 19 2003 06:14 PM

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### #1

Posted 19 January 2003 - 06:14 PM

Per aspera ad astra

### #2

Posted 19 January 2003 - 08:59 PM

AFAICT that's a direct corrollary of the definition of point, and should not lead to any remarkable consequences. It certainly doesn't in pure math.

However, if you're looking for ideas involving spatial geometry that will blow your mind, try the Banach Tarski paradox.

Briefly put, a real world solid ball can be decopmosed into a finite number of pieces (4 or 6, depending on how picky you are about including the center point) and reassembled into *two* solid balls of equal volume to the original.

No, I'm not making that up. The math has held up for 80 years.

Needless to say, the 4-6 pieces (defined geometrically) are extremely complex, and this can't realistically be done with objects made of discrete atoms of defined non-infintesmal size, but the consequences of doing it to space are fantastic.

However, if you're looking for ideas involving spatial geometry that will blow your mind, try the Banach Tarski paradox.

Briefly put, a real world solid ball can be decopmosed into a finite number of pieces (4 or 6, depending on how picky you are about including the center point) and reassembled into *two* solid balls of equal volume to the original.

No, I'm not making that up. The math has held up for 80 years.

Needless to say, the 4-6 pieces (defined geometrically) are extremely complex, and this can't realistically be done with objects made of discrete atoms of defined non-infintesmal size, but the consequences of doing it to space are fantastic.

### #3

Posted 19 January 2003 - 11:37 PM

I think Yoda said it best "Do. Or do not. There is no 'try'."

In otherwords, try looking at it the other way around. In most geometries, a point is dimensionless, and therefore either two points are identical or they are separated. Though we do sometimes refer to 'contiguous points' in even Euclidean geometry, one basic tenet of the standard grade school geometry is: for any two distinct points, there is some intervening point.

e.g. Name any two numbers, and I can name a number 'between' them. So can you. No mysteries involved.

I am still curious about the specific null space hypothesis you are referring to, but I don't think it's related to this principle.

In otherwords, try looking at it the other way around. In most geometries, a point is dimensionless, and therefore either two points are identical or they are separated. Though we do sometimes refer to 'contiguous points' in even Euclidean geometry, one basic tenet of the standard grade school geometry is: for any two distinct points, there is some intervening point.

e.g. Name any two numbers, and I can name a number 'between' them. So can you. No mysteries involved.

I am still curious about the specific null space hypothesis you are referring to, but I don't think it's related to this principle.

### #4

Posted 26 January 2003 - 09:54 PM

Null science? I know that there are infinite points between any two integers, so even though, this seems difficult to comprehend, I can accept the notion that the space between any two random points will never close entirely. *sigh* I majored in chemistry. If you needed to know something about spin, that I know, but then so does any child.

### #5

Posted 19 January 2003 - 09:17 AM

Null Space Theory?????? Writing a coppla fics and don't know where to start for research.

Christopher? Uncle Sid? Somebody? Please?????

Christopher? Uncle Sid? Somebody? Please?????

### #6

Posted 19 January 2003 - 07:02 PM

pure theroy derived from the math def of a point

half the distance between 2 points repeatedly and still the 2 points will not touch

hope that helps

half the distance between 2 points repeatedly and still the 2 points will not touch

hope that helps

### #7

Posted 19 January 2003 - 09:44 PM

This will learn me to take notes in my sleep.

What I am looking for is an exploitation of the given.

If a point has no dimension then the space between two points has no dimension.

Without dimension the space between any two points is the same no matter the location.

How badly did I butcher that?

In other words; how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

What I am looking for is an exploitation of the given.

If a point has no dimension then the space between two points has no dimension.

Without dimension the space between any two points is the same no matter the location.

How badly did I butcher that?

In other words; how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

### #8

Posted 20 January 2003 - 12:37 AM

This is kind of a sidebar, but your second post:

Sounds a lot like Xeno's Paradox, which says the same thing with distances .

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half the distance between 2 points repeatedly and still the 2 points will not touch

Sounds a lot like Xeno's Paradox, which says the same thing with distances .

**Orpheus**, that Banach Tarski Paradox sounds wild! You*double*the volume??
Per aspera ad astra

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