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Health Care Obamacare 2013 Exemptions for Congress

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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:46 AM

http://www.politico....ides-90610.html

Talk about your double standards. Guess Congress is of the belief: One law for them, a different law for everyone else.
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#2 cl05

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 08:11 AM

Yes, secretive and sensitive. It's the same me, myself and I mentality of a politician.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 09:28 AM

This article sets off my bs alarm. The title is alarmist and probably misleading, the opening paragraphs are strangely vague, and then when we do get some substance, we realize the whole story isn't in the title. But that's OK. We're a nation of dumbasses looking for something to be outraged about, even if what we're outraged about may actually BENEFIT us.

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When asked about the high-level bipartisan talks, Michael Steel, a Boehner spokesman, said: “The speaker’s objective is to spare the entire country from the ravages of the president’s health care law. He is approached daily by American citizens, including members of Congress and staff, who want to be freed from its mandates. If the speaker has the opportunity to save anyone from Obamacare, he will.”

Right. We need to be saved from Obamacare, whatever that is. The people who are the most outraged about it really don't know what it is. They're listening to the Republicans in Congress who have tried to repeal Obamacare something like 38 times because a Democrat has been credited with its implementation. Nevermind that the whole damned thing originated in Republican/conservative think tanks.

In the real world, where the exchanges are already being implemented, costs are coming in much lower than even the best-case scenarios according to nonpartisan sources. Of course, if you ask a Republican, it's ruining lives!

I'm not pleased with it. I'd prefer a single-pay, national health alternative to compete with private insurance. But this is what we got because the right calls the plan I prefer socialism! Of course, now they call their own plan socialism! since it was enacted on Obama's watch.

Anyway, my rant aside, I'd like to know more about the following. I suspect Waxman is right:

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However, the idea of exempting lawmakers and aides from the exchanges has its detractors, including Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), a key Obamacare architect. Waxman thinks there is confusion about the content of the law. The Affordable Care Act, he said, mandates that the federal government will still subsidize and provide health plans obtained in the exchange. There will be no additional cost to lawmakers and Hill aides, he contends.

He's certainly right on the first bolded statement, and I'd be curious to see if facts support the second. I don't know. But I do know that a lot of Obamacare hysteria is stoked by the GOP in an effort to shape it into a political hammer with which to bash Democrats and regain control of Congress--even though this is a plan that many of them uttered not a negative word about when Mitt Romney implemented it (or something quite similar to it) in Massachusetts.

So beware the politics and find out what Obamacare really is and how it will impact you before making judgments.

http://obamacarefact...acare-facts.php

The Health Insurance Exchanges, in particular, will help people who would otherwise be unable to afford health insurance purchased on their own (not employer-provided):

http://obamacarefact...hange-guide.php







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#4 Spectacles

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

Furthermore, the issue has been resolved:

http://www.nytimes.c...ealthcarereform


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August 2, 2013
Deal Keeps U.S. Health Care Contribution for Congress

By  ROBERT PEAR

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration told Congress on Thursday that it would allow the federal government to continue paying a large share of the cost of health insurance for members of Congress and their aides, averting a problem for many who work on Capitol Hill.

However, under the arrangement, lawmakers and many of their aides will have to get coverage through new health insurance marketplaces, or exchanges, being set up in every state.

The House Democratic leader, Nancy Pelosi of California, welcomed the new arrangement, worked out by the White House and the United States Office of Personnel Management, under pressure from Congress. “Members of Congress and their staffs must enroll in health marketplaces, as the Affordable Care Act requires,” Ms. Pelosi said.

And look closely at this:

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The 2010 health care law generally requires lawmakers and aides who work in their personal offices to get coverage through the exchanges. But it does not provide any obvious way for the federal government to continue paying its share of the premiums.

Congressional aides said the administration was divided over how to resolve the issue, with some lawyers arguing that no law clearly authorized the government to pay premiums for federal employees who obtain insurance through the exchanges.

Under the arrangement, Congressional aides will not be eligible for the tax credits available to many low- and middle-income people who buy private insurance in the exchanges.

The situation of lawmakers and their aides is unusual. The exchanges will generally not be open next year to people who work for large employers other than the federal government. And for people other than members of Congress and certain aides, use of the exchanges will be entirely voluntary.

So it is not true that the "secret talks" were about finding ways to exempt Congress and their aides from Obamacare but about how best to address their special circumstance under the law so that they, too, would get subsidies.

They're a special case because they lose their old insurance under the law. They are the only group to be mandated to use the health exchanges. There was a quibble, however, because someone pointed out that the law does not explicitly state that they are also able to receive any subsidies that they would qualify for. Some argued they should, some argued they shouldn't. They will. That's the "exemption."
"Facts are stupid things." -Ronald Reagan at the 1988 Republican National Convention, attempting to quote John Adams, who said, "Facts are stubborn things"

"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

#5 Lin731

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 11:38 AM

Typical, usually the people griping the loudest know the least about it and have coverage already, so screw everyone that doesn't. You don't have to be a fry jockey at Micky D's to not have any coverage, many in manufacturing don't either and it predates "Obamacare" by many years. So God forbid we set up a plan that actually gets them some coverage (much of it subsidized) because God knows our Corporate overlords wouldn't take a dime from their bloated salaries or from the corporate boards to do something decent. I DO worry about a couple things though, with wages being so piss poor for so many Americans, I worry about paying for it and I really wonder why our millionaires in the House and Senate need the assistance of people making 10 bucks an hour to help pay for their coverage.
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#6 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

. The people who are the most outraged about it really don't know what it is.


Well Pelosi did say they had to pass the bill before anyone could read and find out what was in it. They passed the damn bill, and the majority of people still don't know what is in it. Although apparently the IRS knows enough about it: http://www.unitedlib...ot-enroll-in-it

They want to ENFORCE Obamacare, but they sure as Hell don't WANT to be enrolled in Obamacare.
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#7 Omega

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 12:50 PM

How does one get "enrolled in Obamacare"? As I understand things, that's identical to "having health insurance".

#8 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:11 PM

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Well Pelosi did say they had to pass the bill before anyone could read and find out what was in it. They passed the damn bill, and the majority of people still don't know what is in it. Although apparently the IRS knows enough about it: http://www.unitedlib...ot-enroll-in-it

They want to ENFORCE Obamacare, but they sure as Hell don't WANT to be enrolled in Obamacare.

Let add this, these are the people who would actually be enforcing the train wreck upon us.

IRS Chief explains why he doesn't want Obamacare -



Sound familiar to anyone, most of the people I know said the same thing!

#9 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:32 PM

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The people who are the most outraged about it really don't know what it is.

Really and why is that?
The administration never took the time to fully explain Obamacare to anyone.
Look here:

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Said Matthew Haller of the International Franchise Association, "while its nice the administration has launched a new website, employers have been scrambling since the law was passed two plus years ago for answers to the laws complicated calculations for determining if they are 'large' employers and how many 'full-time equivalent employees' they have. The uncertainty created by the [health care act] continues to cause franchises and other small businesses to hit the pause button on job creation."

The SBA rules are easy to understand. From the SBA website: "Example: Company X has 40 full-time employees working 40 hours per week, along with 20 part-time employees working 15 hours per week. The 20 part-time employees are counted as 10 full-time equivalent employees. Company X has 50 full-time employees and is subject to the employer shared responsibility provisions."

Under Obamacare, a full-time work week is just 30 hours.
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Took  over 2  years for businesses to get this information,
and who knew that an Obama work week is 30 hours, damn!

How could anyone know what it is when the information is being withheld?

#10 Spectacles

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM

Oh baloney.

The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect.

But enlighten me, LoTS and kota: just what IS Obamacare? How does it work?
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#11 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:50 PM

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect.

Feel free to link to the specific information in the bill. :)

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:53 PM

View PostKota, on 02 August 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

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Well Pelosi did say they had to pass the bill before anyone could read and find out what was in it. They passed the damn bill, and the majority of people still don't know what is in it. Although apparently the IRS knows enough about it: http://www.unitedlib...ot-enroll-in-it

They want to ENFORCE Obamacare, but they sure as Hell don't WANT to be enrolled in Obamacare.

Let add this, these are the people who would actually be enforcing the train wreck upon us.

IRS Chief explains why he doesn't want Obamacare -



Sound familiar to anyone, most of the people I know said the same thing!

Federal employees are, as noted above, treated differently under this law. Because lawmakers of both parties felt that Congress should have the same health insurance options as do others who do NOT have employer-provided insurance, they included a provision in the bill that takes away their--and all federal employees'--current health insurance. This means that these employees will now have to get their insurance through the state health insurance exchanges that will be operating soon.

I don't blame them for being nervous about that. It's hard to go from the security of an insurance policy you know to the uncertainty of one you don't. I've worked for the same employer for almost thirty years and every time we've had to change insurance plans, people are worried. It's human nature, and it makes sense.

Add to that the uncertainty about whether or not these federal employees would receive the subsidies like average exchange shoppers who make 400% of the poverty level or less, then sure they'd be unhappy.

Now that this question has been resolved in their favor, that should alleviate some of their concerns. It should also make anyone who does not have employer-provided insurance feel a bit better to see how the exchanges are working in California and North Carolina. People who qualify for the subsidies, and that's most people, are finding that the insurance is affordable--which is the whole point of the bill.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:54 PM

View PostKota, on 02 August 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect.

Feel free to link to the specific information in the bill. :)

Really? OK

http://www.gpo.gov/f...11hr3590enr.pdf
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:57 PM

And there is even a lengthy, through, well-sourced entry on it in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia....rdable_Care_Act
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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:08 PM

And Kaiser Health News has done a good job explaining the specifics of the bill in Q & A format here:

http://www.kaiserhea...lth-reform.aspx

And a more current article from Kaiser on "Five Things to know About Obamacare" is here:

http://www.kaiserhea...tm_campaign=mhp


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4. Subsidies will offset costs for many people.  Most people shopping in the new marketplaces are expected to qualify for a subsidy to offset part of the cost of the premiums.

Sliding-scale subsidies will go to those earning between between about $11,590 and $46,000 a year, as individuals. Those who get subsidies will also likely pay a portion of their household income – from 2 percent to 9.5 percent – toward the premium cost.

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Last, but certainly not least - premium changes are unlikely to affect you at all.  The rates submitted to states and the federal government are for coverage sold to individuals and small businesses with fewer than 50 workers that are not self-insured.  Currently, the vast majority of Americans with insurance coverage get it through their jobs – and they generally work for companies with more than 50 workers.  Large firms already offer coverage similar to what the health law will require insurers to offer individuals and small firms, so little change is expected.  The new rates are most likely to affect people who buy their own coverage. About 15 million do so currently and an estimated 7 million more are expected to do so next year because of the health law.

So if you know a lot of people who are upset because they're being forced to buy "Obamacare," whatever that is, you know a lot of people who are (a) federal employees or (b) uninsured through work and/or © FoxNews viewers.
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

#16 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

View PostKota, on 02 August 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect.

Feel free to link to the specific information in the bill. :)

Really? OK

http://www.gpo.gov/f...11hr3590enr.pdf

This was very specific, all 906 pages-

#17 Spectacles

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 02:25 PM

Yep. That's as specific as it gets.

As I said, "The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect."

Edited by Spectacles, 02 August 2013 - 02:25 PM.

"Facts are stupid things." -Ronald Reagan at the 1988 Republican National Convention, attempting to quote John Adams, who said, "Facts are stubborn things"

"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

#18 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:55 PM

View PostSpectacles, on 02 August 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

Yep. That's as specific as it gets.

As I said, "The information has been available online since the bill was passed in 2010. Businesses and individuals typically don't consult the actual bill until the deadline approaches for the implementation of some aspect."

And in the bill it's specific enough for the small business owners (50 employees and under) -
to know exactly how Obamacare works for their individual needs?

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:42 PM

Small business owners (50 employees and under) do not have to provide insurance for their employees. This is in the bill.

Additionally, information like this has been available online to any small business owner with a search engine:

http://www.urban.org...-businesses.pdf

Small businesses have a lot to gain under PPACA. They don't have to provide their employees with insurance, but there are incentives for them to do so if they choose.

Granted, it's a complicated bill with many provisions for many different circumstances, so there is need for clarification as elements are rolled out.

But I'm still curious, what do you think Obamacare is? When you talk about Obamacare, what do you (and anyone else who is reading) envision it to be? Do you see it as a single entity? What does it involve?
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"Although health care enrollment is actually going pretty well at this point, thousands and maybe millions of Americans have failed to sign up for coverage because they believe the false horror stories they keep hearing." -- Paul Krugman

#20 Kota

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:52 PM

Thanks OK sweetheart, I know exactly where it is located in the bill.

While businesses might have something to gain the employees get the royal screw job!



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