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Government Shut Down 2013 113th Congress

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#41 Spectacles

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:16 AM

^True, but can you blame anyone for suspecting that this bunch of maroons think that Cruz is in the House? Heck, they think the ACA is a bill, not a law.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 11:56 AM

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Nonny: OTOH I really like all the speculation about how Boehner will lose the speakership to Ted Cruz..  Really?  They'll recruit a Speaker from the Senate? :howling:

OMG really?!? :D  Where did you come across that. I need a bellylaugh right about now...

Strictly, anyone can be Speaker of the House. There's no requirement that they be an actual member. Rep. Cooper (TN-5) suggested Colin Powell as speaker last time around.

Seriously?  Someone that high up in the succession can be anybody?  And not even elected?  I did not know that!   :oh:
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#43 Omega

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:23 PM

That's my understanding. I'm checking on the Politics Stack Exchange now.
http://politics.stac...representatives


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:37 PM

Laura Ingraham: ‘Sob stories’ from injured veterans will make GOP cave on shutdown

http://www.rawstory....ve-on-shutdown/

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Fox News contributor and sometime “O’Reilly Factor” host Laura Ingraham predicted on “Fox and Friends” Tuesday morning that the government shutdown will end when the media starts pushing “sob stories” about injured veterans who can’t get care because of the federal closure...
After briefly rejoicing that the shutdown will make it so much easier to drive during the day in Washington, D.C., Ingraham announced that the whole shutdown debacle should be called the “Countdown to Cave-In” because she knows that establishment Republicans will be too cowardly to hold the line....

This disabled veteran would love to give her something to sob about.   :mad:
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:40 PM

Hadn't thought of this, but the website is healthcare.GOV and not .org, .com, .net or whatever.  Apparently there is some confusion, and a potential for phishing.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:54 PM

It's now Democrats' turn to be pissed

http://www.dailykos....detail=facebook

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... They're going on the offense. For example, it looks like Senate Democrats leaked these private emails from House Speaker John Bohner's staff. Hardball tactics? Damn right. And look what else is up ahead:

I also spoke to a leading Democratic congresscritter over the weekend who told me that, very soon, the Democrats in the Senate will start going through the sequester line-by-line, demanding public votes on funding things like medical research and environmental protections, and sticking Republicans with a choice of being for or against curing, say, Alzheimer's Disease or cancer.

It is time Republicans face the repercussions of their actions. They have been so worried about their Right flank, that their left is wholly exposed to a counterattack, and Democrats are finally charging ahead.
The effects on our country will be difficult, and given the debt limit fight up ahead, could be disastrous. Republicans have chosen this path. There's nothing we can do about that. What we can do is do everything in our power to make sure Republicans pay the price....

Oh please make them pay!
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:03 PM

View PostNonny, on 01 October 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Hadn't thought of this, but the website is healthcare.GOV and not .org, .com, .net or whatever.  Apparently there is some confusion, and a potential for phishing.

And apparently healthcare.gov has crashed due to the high volume of folks trying to enroll.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:10 PM

At first I read, it was in Guardian or Yahoo own news, somewhere, maybe also in
Washpost? that: US military would continue to work, on duty, show up each morning, and
not be paid, and part of their duty is trust, that their accruing of pay will catch up to them, not lost
just delayed til the budget gets going...

but in this, http://www.kpbs.org/...nment-shutdown/
at the SanDiego tv news, we see that Barack signed the HR3210, military will receive pay despite-
Pay Our Military Act,
' The Senate approved the measure on Monday, and the president signed it when it arrived on his desk.
Under H.R. 3210, some Pentagon civilian employees will also get paid on time, as will certain defense contractors.
Just before signing the Pay Our Military Act, the president recorded a message for service members..'

whew, i know they would do duty, show up, we trust them, but still, many do not have the savings built of some senators and such, and have monthly costs without much cushion and it is right that those who sign on that line and 'walk that wall' keep up with their bills n'est ce pas? ;)
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:15 PM

Jimmy Kimmel Asks Pedestrians If They Prefer Obamacare Or The Affordable Care Act

http://www.huffingto...037&ir=Politics

:freakoutnonny:  :howling:  :D
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#50 Cait

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 03:55 PM

Here is a list of Republicans ready to fund the government with a clean bill.  We should remember which ones thought about real governance and serving the people.

http://www.huffingto...hp_ref=politics

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Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.

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#51 Cait

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

Interesting editorial here....

http://www.washingto...-spoiled-brats/


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All this would be bad enough if a shutdown was the biggest harm that these spoiled brats and their far-right enablers could inflict on the country. But it is looking ever more likely that Republicans, still in thrall to a minority faction, will make ending the shutdown part of the debt-ceiling negotiations, thus threatening what President Obama accurately described as an “economic shutdown” as well. In other words, having lost at the ballot box and in the courts, Republicans will take our economy hostage to undercut the law of the land.
Such recklessness recalls the words of Abraham Lincoln to Southerners in 1860: “Your purpose, then, plainly stated, is that you will destroy the Government, unless you be allowed to construe and enforce the Constitution as you please, on all points in dispute between you and us. You will rule or ruin in all events.” The tea party’s “rule or ruin” extortion is fundamentally undemocratic; the president and the American people are right not to stand for it.



Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 06:53 AM

Interesting detail from Ed Rendell on Hardball last night - The GOP controls the House by 17 seats.  The core of the Tea Party is pretty secure due to gerrymandering (their districts are overwhelmingly white/Republican now even as the electorate as a whole has grown much more diverse), but there remain about 40 so-called "moderates" in districts that could potentially swing next fall if the shutdown narrative still has currency.  So it's a heavy lift, but not impossible in the current circumstance to forecast Democrats retaking the house.  

Regardless of how that plays out, I think Boehner is done.

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Posted 02 October 2013 - 05:43 PM

This is what I think about House Republicans... They have found a way around the Constitution they claim to love so much.  They refuse to try and repeal the law through constitutional process and instead are using the shut down to extort what they want.  It is cowardly and it is constitutionally reprehensible.  They do not know how to govern in our Republic.  I am so ashamed of this whole mess.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/house-republicans-and-the_b_4027251.html

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What makes the House Republicans' decision to shut down the federal government an immoral and unconscionable "threat" rather than an ordinary political disagreement? The answer is simple. House Republicans who do not have the votes to repeal Obamacare through the processes of democracy threatened to close the federal government, to throw hundreds of thousands of innocent government employees out of work, and to damage the nation's economy unless the Senate and the President acceded to their demands. By threatening to wreak havoc with the national interest and inflicting serious harm on hard-working, loyal public employees, they are attempting to coerce rather than to persuade the government into doing what they want. The House Republicans, in short, are holding the nation itself hostage to their demands. This is not democratic governance. This is extortion, plain and simple. In any other circumstance, this would be criminal conduct.

Of course, as the House Republicans glibly say on the talk shows, the Senate and the President can "solve" the problem any time they want by giving in to those who are inflicting ongoing harm to the nation. But if they do so, they will inevitably invite similarly destructive behavior in the future. When dealing with a blackmailer, extortionist, or kidnapper, it is never a wise response to give in to the demands if the blackmailer, extortionist or kidnapper is a repeat player.

Edited to add:  I think that Obama brought some of this on by giving in on so many demands from Republicans early on in his Presidency.  I'm pretty sure Republicans believed the Democrats would cave [and they still might], just as they always have.  It will be interesting [if not catastrophic] to see how the debt ceiling is handled.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.

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http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html


#54 Omega

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 12:53 PM

I keep hearing references to there being a small (~30) body of Republicans being responsible for this whole thing. But I never see a list. Who are they, and how can we express our extreme displeasure with their near-traitorous activity?

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 01:51 PM

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I keep hearing references to there being a small (~30) body of Republicans being responsible for this whole thing. But I never see a list. Who are they, and how can we express our extreme displeasure with their near-traitorous activity?

I'm in a hurry, so all I have is a blog link from somewhere I lurk at, but it does cite a report in the graphic.

http://www.newyorker...-geography.html

There's a link to the letter in the post. http://meadows.house...efundLetter.pdf

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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:21 PM

View PostAnakam, on 03 October 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

View PostOmega, on 03 October 2013 - 12:53 PM, said:

I keep hearing references to there being a small (~30) body of Republicans being responsible for this whole thing. But I never see a list. Who are they, and how can we express our extreme displeasure with their near-traitorous activity?

I'm in a hurry, so all I have is a blog link from somewhere I lurk at, but it does cite a report in the graphic.

http://www.newyorker...-geography.html

Thanks!  I see from that map that if we hadn't replaced Mary Bono Mack, the entire east side of the state would be red.   :oh:

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There's a link to the letter in the post. http://meadows.house...efundLetter.pdf

I'd like to find a legible list of the signers, with state and district.  My favorite part of the letter is "PRINTED ON RECYCLED PAPER."   :rolleyes:
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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:55 AM

The Senate Continuing Resolution Is Already a Compromise

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Not only is the Senate CR for FY 2014 over $100 billion less than Paul Ryan's own previous plan, it's exactly the number Boehner requested and got passed through the House. Many Democrats wanted to fight for a better deal, but as usual, party leadership caved, and as usual, Republicans responded with more demands. Obamacare itself is a major compromise (virtually identitical to Romneycare, full of Republican ideas like giving massive subsidies to the insurance industry, blocking a public option and not allowing the government to negotiate for cheaper drug prices). Republicans now think they can fool the public into believing they're the reasonable party that just wants negotiation and compromise, and sadly they might be right, but Obama must stand firm or these hostage situations will never end and the demands will only get worse.

Edited by cade, 04 October 2013 - 03:56 AM.


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Posted 04 October 2013 - 09:49 AM

It happened this morning.  While walking with neighbors walking their dogs (it's the dogs I like) I was taunted with All Our Muslim President's Fault crap.  Of course I pointed out their errors to them, and didn't even call their views stupid until one of them started shouting at me.  Yeah, way to communicate with a PTSD veteran, you phony patriot chickenhawk.  One of them even agreed that Reagan was a very bad man, but her comeback was, at least he wasn't a Muslim.  Honestly, the crazy is strong in some folks.
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All things must be examined, debated, investigated without exception and without regard for anyone's feelings. Diderot

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 10:36 AM

I'm starting to hit such people with things like "Your attitude is totally unAmerican." If that won't wake them up, I don't know what will.

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Posted 04 October 2013 - 01:07 PM

I had a friend of a friend on FB say that this was "mostly Obama's fault", so I explained that this was an issue with Congress and that the President really had nothing to do with it. He responded with "I'm not going to defend my thoughts to you, that's just how I feel". I'm sitting here thinking "Well, if I feel like this is all Superman's fault " ain't no one gonna take that seriously.
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