Virgil Vox, on 24 September 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:
I do wonder, like Scott, if we'll see the darker side of SHIELD. This was an organization, after all, that was going to nuke a major American city.
No, it wasn't SHIELD that made that decision, it was the World Council that SHIELD answers to.
Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time in fiction, and possibly in reality, that a government has contemplated destroying a city with a nuclear weapon in order to protect the rest of the world from an outbreak of something. See movies like Fail Safe
and The Andromeda Strain
. Sure, nominally, nuking New York seems like an evil act, but what if you sincerely believed that the choice was between nuking New York and seeing the entire planet conquered or destroyed? It wasn't an evil decision, it was a pragmatic decision rooted in desperation, and in the belief that the Avengers would not be able to stop the invasion. And really, one can't blame the Council for being unconvinced that a half-dozen weirdos who'd been bickering like children a few hours earlier, and only half of whom had any real superpowers, would be enough to stem the tide against an invading interdimensional horde. The Avengers were the longest of long shots, and from a cold, strategic point of view, nuking Manhattan was the safer choice as far as the fate of the world was concerned.
BklnScott, on 25 September 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:
She's an Eliza Dushku type. She annoyed me but I might warm to her over time.
Yeah, they do have a similar delivery, but Dushku does it better.
Brett Dalton - who has his MFA from the Yale acting program - was the one who came off really flat to me, and not sardonic, which is what they were going for.
I found him underwhelming in the previews, but he seemed a little better in the full episode. I liked "Gramsy?"
Repositioning Coulson as a leader figure was a bit jarring to me, and the script acknowledges that by introducing him emerging from a "dark corner." He's different now - both because he is the lead and also (obviously) because he died. His faith in SHIELD seems to have been dialed up. He was the quiet one before, but now he's in a position where he's evangelizing SHIELD and its mission.
I don't see it as that much of a change. He was always the guy who served as the friendly face of SHIELD, the one who sold other characters on their agenda or reasoned them into cooperating, whether Pepper or Tony or Jane or Cap. And he's been a team leader before; he was the head of the SHIELD team in Iron Man
when he first appeared onscreen, and he was the head of the SHIELD team that investigated Mjolnir in Thor
. In The Avengers
, he answered to Fury but was evidently senior to Natasha, since he assigned her to go after Banner. So it's been clear from the start that he's in a senior position, subordinate to Fury but in command of many. The only change is that we haven't seen him as the lead of a long-form story
before (though he's been the lead in a couple of short films).
All in all, it feels less like a new Whedon show than like corporate Whedon product, if that makes sense. I hope and trust that the show will rise above that going forward.
Yeah -- it does feel like a major step backward in the creative career of a man who's gotten more and more daring and experimental with each show. Whedon's going to have to answer to Marvel and Disney and that will limit the chances he's allowed to take. We'll probably have to wait for more small indie films and web productions and comics to see the real, unfettered Whedon, while this will be more tame and crowd-pleasing. Although on the other hand, Marvel has put a lot of trust in its creators and let them take chances and do interesting things in the movies, so hopefull this won't be too