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#1 DWF

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:48 PM

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 09:52 PM

This was pretty solid, with some good character-building as well as organization-building for SHIELD. We're definitely learning more about Fitz and Simmons now that they're not always joined at the hip. And I liked mixing up the interactions. Skye-Simmons is a fun pairing, and Ward-Fitz worked pretty well too. And it was interesting seeing Coulson mediate between Skye and Hand, sticking to the party line with Skye but being an advocate for his team with Hand. And I see that he's finally starting to realize something's wrong with his impulse to parrot "It's a magical place" every time Tahiti comes up, and to dig into the question. Oh, and Coulson and May's "talk" where she didn't say a word was fun.

When Coulson came to May after telling Skye about the female SHIELD agent dropping her off, I thought for a moment that we were about to get the revelation that May was Skye's mother. But I guess the agent/possible mother was the corpse in the photo.

I think that, with the appearance of Jasper Sitwell (whose name I keep mixing up with Farley Stillwell, the guy who created the Scorpion), the show has now featured every SHIELD comics character who's appeared in the movies and isn't technically a superhero (like Black Widow or Hawkeye). Plus we get a comics character who hasn't been in the movies, Victoria Hand.

That sandwich sounded really good. Tragic that it had to go to waste.
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#4 DWF

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:24 PM

I liked the Yoyodyne Propulsion sign on the truck trailer, but the plot was fairly predictable and rather simple. Coulson has lost his sense of humor and really doesn't appear to do much on the show though, but then that might a side effect of whatever was used to bring him back to life.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 10:48 PM

Oh, and there was a bit of foreshadowing for Captain America: The Winter Soldier when Skye said the Hub was impressive and Simmons replied, "Wait until you see the Triskelion." I gather that's the primary SHIELD ground facility in the comics, and it's been suggested that it will appear in CA:TWS. I take this as confirmation.
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Posted 12 November 2013 - 11:20 PM

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:06 AM

"Tahiti is a magical place."  I think Coulson has been programmed/brainwashed into not remembering.  The Tahiti phrase/mantra blocks all of his memories of events.  But the real question is why?  The Skye story arc is a reflection of Coulson's arc.

#8 G-man

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

^^^ Essentially.

Skye is Suspicious and apparently must learn to Trust; and
Coulson is Trusting and must learn to be Suspicious of this organization for whom he works.

Of course, considering this is SHIELD which is as much built on lies, deceptions and secrets; and given that they're prone to play games with their own members with the hope that said agents will jump in the right direction; I'd argue that SHIELD really isn't the most trustworthy of organizations.  While their goals may be noble and just; their tactics tend to more closely resemble that of villains.

Then there was the whole military invasion of South Ossetia that SHIELD conducted, which I hope leads to complications for SHIELD viz. Russia if only because some former imperial powers simply do not take kindly to outsiders conducting military operations on territory on or near their own.

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#9 Christopher

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

Keep in mind that the MCU's SHIELD is apparently a multinational organization, and they seem to have authority to operate all over the world.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 03:41 PM

Wasn't there a line in one ep about them not being able to go into China?  I think the idea is - they're Super NATO plus whoever has signed up since the end of the Cold War.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:54 PM

^^  I suspect Russia is either a member organization or authorized the mission. They have a big problem with insurgents and probably wouldn't be averse to a little help.

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This was another great episode-- the only problem I had with it was that there were no repercussions to Jemma shooting Sitwell.  That should have merited a stern talking-to, at least.  If not court martial and incarceration.

But otherwise, it was fun from start to finish.  The mission was just a framework to hang the character interactions on:  Ward and Fitz on a mission and bonding (pun intended), Jemma freaking out over Fitz, Sky leading Jemma astray by using her anxiety over Fitz, Coulson reading Sky the riot act for accessing classified info and then reading Veronica Hand the riot act for keeping him out of the loop, Sky passing up the information she's been looking for all her life in favor of helping Fitz and Ward, Coulson getting her the information as promised, and, of course, Coulson's "talk" with May.

Unfortunately, it looks like the ratings continue to erode week after week, so this show may not be renewed.  At least we'll get one good DVD set out of it, at least.
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Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:55 PM

That could be.  I suspect the winter soldier will have to make it clear whether Russia is part of their world security council or not.

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Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:37 PM

Even with eroding ratings, this show has too much synergistic value for ABC not to get a second season, methinks.

Me also keeps getting strong vibes that Skye is the love child of Coulson and May, probably from watching too much Once Upon a Time and reading too many Dickens novels. May could have entrusted the baby to this agent who got killed.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:07 AM

I don't think I want Skye to be May's daughter, because that would make the presence of two Asian-American women in the show's lead cast feel less like progressive, colorblind casting, since the two would be correlated rather than having been independently cast because they were the best ones for the roles.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 08:09 AM

If they had some kind of understanding with Sam Jackson, I'd say it was fury.  Otherwise, my money is on Victoria Hand - at least for the moment.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:50 AM

View PostChristopher, on 13 November 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Keep in mind that the MCU's SHIELD is apparently a multinational organization, and they seem to have authority to operate all over the world.

Actually, that aspect is something I'd like to see explored more fully, if only because it'd be nice to see just where SHIELD's limits are, as well as how it was set up.  They kind of touched on it with the Malta matter, but I haven't seen anything else to suggest that SHIELD had any other limitations.

And given that in the Avengers they unilaterally tried to nuke a major tax base for the US, I'd expect that the US government would want to revisit any agreements it had with the organization to prevent a reprise of that incident.

Also, I'd imagine that SHIELD would in turn be under surveillance by any number of intelligence agencies who would be concerned with what they were up to.  In short, SHIELD should have far more rivals/opponents than the fictional Centipede, Hydra, AIM, etc.

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 11:57 AM

Presumably the Powers Boothe character on the World Security Council, which ordered the nuclear strike, is the American representative...

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:02 PM

There have certainly been other works of fiction wherein the US government itself has ordered a nuclear strike on one of its own cities to prevent a far more global cataclysm, such as Fail Safe and The Andromeda Strain. I'm always surprised when people react to the Council's decision to bomb New York as if it were some unconscionable attack on America. It was the only way they knew to close the portal that was allowing an invasion that would destroy the entire planet if it weren't stopped, and Fury's plan to place the fate of the world in the hands of a dissolute billionaire, a defrosted WWII hero, an alien Viking, a couple of ordinary-human SHIELD agents, and an uncontrollable green monster was hardly one that would inspire a lot of confidence in an outside observer. If anything, the Council made the most responsible choice it could've made, and Fury was the one taking an incredibly reckless gamble with the fate of the world.
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#19 G-man

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:26 PM

(shrug)

Andromeda Strain was set in the middle of nowhere with the nuke as a self-destruct in the event of catastrophic failure.  So the intent and design would've had the same equivalent effect of an A-Bomb test in the desert.

Fail Safe was ... well ... stupid.  But, still, you had the POTUS make the decision, not some shadowy council of some extra-national organization that apparently has no loyalty to anyone or anything outside their own ambitions.

Admittedly, given the size of the warhead, SHIELD was probably employing tactical nukes as opposed to their city-destroying brethren; but even so, in the best case scenario there'd still be the collateral damage, fall out, and radiation sickness to be treated, as well as the unexpected shock to the local, if not national or global economies; so, yeah, people would be screaming about that particular decision, and answers would be demanded, whether or not SHIELD was an arm of the US Government.  Just look at the outcry over the NSA's shenanigans as a for instance.

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Edited by G-man, 14 November 2013 - 02:28 PM.

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Let me do right to all, and wrong no man.
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Posted 14 November 2013 - 02:43 PM

Isn't that why SHIELD is a clandestine organization?

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