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#61 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:37 PM

View PostMikoto, on 15 March 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

And then what happens to him LotS? Are you willing to see him starve to death if he can't find a job in the time it takes to actually die? And what about water? Is he supposed to drink out of lakes and ponds and die of infection? If he doesn't have access to a source of water he has to find a job in three days or so or he'll die.

That's what gets me about people whining about food stamps and UK equivalents... these people are at the end of the line. They have nothing. If they aren't given food they'll either die in a nation where food is plentiful or turn to crime to survive.

He apparently has friends that let him stay with them. He apparently had enough money to get that Cadillac SUV. He could sell that. And as for if he dies...since he's being a lazy, good for nothing freeloader, not even trying cause people are willing to pay his expenses...So, IMO...If he dies...he dies. People die everyday, it's part of life.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:49 PM

View PostNonny, on 15 March 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

How would that work, his band being in San Diego and his trucker job being not?

Seriously? OMG people are taking Pelosi's "embrace your passion" speech way way too literally.

To answer the question: it might not work. But in the real world that is the way it is sometimes. Nobody promised him a rose garden, nobody promised him he could have a easy time of it. Sometimes sh*t just happens, you deal with it. Period. If your choice is between "embracing your passion" or starving...if you choose starving, then so be it. I won't even bother lighting a candle for someone  like that.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:58 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 15 March 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

View PostMikoto, on 15 March 2014 - 11:32 AM, said:

And then what happens to him LotS? Are you willing to see him starve to death if he can't find a job in the time it takes to actually die? And what about water? Is he supposed to drink out of lakes and ponds and die of infection? If he doesn't have access to a source of water he has to find a job in three days or so or he'll die.

That's what gets me about people whining about food stamps and UK equivalents... these people are at the end of the line. They have nothing. If they aren't given food they'll either die in a nation where food is plentiful or turn to crime to survive.

He apparently has friends that let him stay with them. He apparently had enough money to get that Cadillac SUV. He could sell that. And as for if he dies...since he's being a lazy, good for nothing freeloader, not even trying cause people are willing to pay his expenses...So, IMO...If he dies...he dies. People die everyday, it's part of life.

LotS--Not sure how true but he said on that video you linked (Hannity) that the record label actually owned the Cadillac SUV so he can't actually sell it.  Now whether that is true or not should be easy to prove or disprove by the name on the title so if Hannity actually did his homework and, ya know, investigated he would have been able to call him on it if a lie.

Edited by Tricia, 15 March 2014 - 07:01 PM.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:59 PM

I doubt this guy will starve. As others point out, he has friends, probably family. He *is* taking advantage of the system--all for $200 a month.

I don't defend him at all. He is an able-bodied young man. Obviously, he has a mom and dad who are giving him lots of money--like any number of "adultescents" in America today. And I do have a problem with that.

But I also have a big problem with trying to make him "the new face of food stamps," which is EXACTLY what Fox News has done. An awful lot of Fox News-watching people are increasingly vicious toward people in grocery lines who pull out a SNAP card to pay for part of their groceries.

The truth is, 90% of people who receive SNAP benefits are disabled, elderly, and/or have dependents. Jason Greenwhatsits is NOT the new face of food stamps in reality--just on Fox News and in the addled minds of Fox's faithful viewers.

That's what I object to.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:03 PM

View PostNonny, on 15 March 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

View PostFarscapeOne, on 15 March 2014 - 05:05 PM, said:

And he can still work with his band on the side...
How would that work, his band being in San Diego and his trucker job being not?

One, any vacation he gets he can go play with his band.

Second, who cares?  You take care of essentials before you worry about extras.  You think I want to be working two jobs and helping to finish my house and help my mom out with money and work on my marriage?  I don't have time for MY passion anymore, which is scifi.  But it needs to be done, therefore I do it.  People like him don't deserve any help.

Edited by FarscapeOne, 15 March 2014 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:09 PM

I've got to say, I have a problem with anyone saying "Let them die.  Or, who cares.  I'm sorry some people feel bad about doing the right thing in life.  Too much responsibility is burdensome.  There is no denying that.  When any of us see someone taking advantage of the system, it can outrage us.  But, to say "let 'em die" is a bit much.

And, I also have a problem with people who say "s/he doesn't deserve XYZ". Except for the interviews this guy has done [which certainly do NOT paint him in a good light at all], none of us knows why he has these attitudes, or why he is content to live with nothing.  Maybe he is just a freeloader, but maybe there is a broader story.  There usually is.

I had a weird experience the other day, nothing to do with government assistance, but it illustrates that we sometimes only see what we want to see.  I was on the bus, and I absolutely have to wait for the bus to come top a complete stop before I get up.  I have severe balance problems and movement like that could send me to the ground. And, because of my handicap, I get to sit nearest the driver in handicapped seating.  People not handicapped have to get up to give people like me a seat.  

Anyway, because I have balance problems [due to blindness in one eye] I can sometimes weave even when walking OK from my POV.  But, this particular time, I was accused of abusing the system because I was drunk and couldn't stand up straight.  That no one should have to give up a seat because I was drunk.  They only saw what they believed was someone who didn't deserve to sit in reserved seating.

I say this not to defend this guy, but to remind all of you, that you really don't know the circumstances all the time.  You only think you do, and to proclaim anyone as "not deserving" is pure hubris.  You do not know for a certainty what anyone deserves.  

No one likes to see real abuse or waste, but to destroy assistance programs because there is some abuse and waste is ludicrous.  The hatred of the abusers is expanding into a hatred of the poor, and that should be something we all try and avoid.  The poor are not our enemies.  You will not have more, if the poor have less.  This hatred has to stop.  No one deserves to die because they are poor, or even because they scam $200 dollars a month from the government.  What are you, crazy?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:55 PM

As usual Cait says it better than me.

I'm just amazed at the callousness I'm reading. I have a close friend of mine who is in pretty dire straits herself and is only a few teensy tiny steps away from needing the UK equivalent of foodstamps. She's a good person who has worked hard and fallen on some bad luck.

To hear people saying that programmes like this should be cut or scrapped. That they don't care or 'let 'em die' is somewhat disheartening.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:51 PM

View PostCait, on 15 March 2014 - 08:09 PM, said:

I've got to say, I have a problem with anyone saying "Let them die.  Or, who cares.  I'm sorry some people feel bad about doing the right thing in life.  Too much responsibility is burdensome.  There is no denying that.  When any of us see someone taking advantage of the system, it can outrage us.  But, to say "let 'em die" is a bit much.

And, I also have a problem with people who say "s/he doesn't deserve XYZ". Except for the interviews this guy has done [which certainly do NOT paint him in a good light at all], none of us knows why he has these attitudes, or why he is content to live with nothing.  Maybe he is just a freeloader, but maybe there is a broader story.  There usually is.

I had a weird experience the other day, nothing to do with government assistance, but it illustrates that we sometimes only see what we want to see.  I was on the bus, and I absolutely have to wait for the bus to come top a complete stop before I get up.  I have severe balance problems and movement like that could send me to the ground. And, because of my handicap, I get to sit nearest the driver in handicapped seating.  People not handicapped have to get up to give people like me a seat.  

Anyway, because I have balance problems [due to blindness in one eye] I can sometimes weave even when walking OK from my POV.  But, this particular time, I was accused of abusing the system because I was drunk and couldn't stand up straight.  That no one should have to give up a seat because I was drunk.  They only saw what they believed was someone who didn't deserve to sit in reserved seating.

I say this not to defend this guy, but to remind all of you, that you really don't know the circumstances all the time.  You only think you do, and to proclaim anyone as "not deserving" is pure hubris.  You do not know for a certainty what anyone deserves.  

No one likes to see real abuse or waste, but to destroy assistance programs because there is some abuse and waste is ludicrous.  The hatred of the abusers is expanding into a hatred of the poor, and that should be something we all try and avoid.  The poor are not our enemies.  You will not have more, if the poor have less.  This hatred has to stop.  No one deserves to die because they are poor, or even because they scam $200 dollars a month from the government.  What are you, crazy?

The reason hatred of the Abusers is turning into hatred of the poor, is because agencies like SNAP do NOT go after and terminate the abusers. The keep right on giving to the abusers. Hell sometimes they even DEFEND giving to the abusers. This was the 2nd, perhaps third interview this free loader has given. After the first one, SNAP should've terminated any and all assistance they were giving him. But they didn't. He's still receiving free money at tax payers expense...all so he can lounge around and free load.

He's got to have other money coming in, cause he smokes and drinks, and I don't think SNAP cards cover cigarettes...not sure about alcohol, but fairly sure you can't get cigarettes with those cards. So he's getting money from somewhere else.

And to be perfectly honest. If this guy even did ONE hour of community service, or something...I wouldn't have a problem with him getting SNAP. And no, not saying all have to do community service, but one hour certainly wouldn't kill this a$$. Others who get SNAP are actually working and need the help.

As for my comment of not caring if he died...Yes, I'll concede that was harsh. But hearing him say: "It's awesome. Free food. Not getting a job." just enrages me to that point. I honestly don't care if he lives or dies...But if he does live, he definitely shouldn't be getting SNAP. And that feeling of not caring whether he lives or dies applies to only him, not anyone else.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:54 PM

View PostSpectacles, on 15 March 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

I doubt this guy will starve. As others point out, he has friends, probably family. He *is* taking advantage of the system--all for $200 a month.

I don't defend him at all. He is an able-bodied young man. Obviously, he has a mom and dad who are giving him lots of money--like any number of "adultescents" in America today. And I do have a problem with that.

But I also have a big problem with trying to make him "the new face of food stamps," which is EXACTLY what Fox News has done. An awful lot of Fox News-watching people are increasingly vicious toward people in grocery lines who pull out a SNAP card to pay for part of their groceries.

The truth is, 90% of people who receive SNAP benefits are disabled, elderly, and/or have dependents. Jason Greenwhatsits is NOT the new face of food stamps in reality--just on Fox News and in the addled minds of Fox's faithful viewers.

That's what I object to.

Sorry to say, he's probably going to be the poster face for SNAP...Cause after his first interview, where he boasting about how he was living free, and how awesome the free lobsters were, and why should he try to get a job when people will just give him free food...SNAP didn't do what they should've and terminated his assistance immediately. They continued to fund his "embracing his passion" with no problem doing so. Hence the second interview...and probably more will follow, til SNAP does what it should've done in the first place.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:17 AM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 15 March 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

... how awesome the free lobsters were....
If the lobsters were free, why did the store take food stamps for them?  Sounds like fraud to me.  

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:43 PM

View PostNonny, on 16 March 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

If the lobsters were free, why did the store take food stamps for them?  Sounds like fraud to me.  

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the lobsters were free for him, not free for the taxpayers.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 06:39 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 16 March 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

View PostNonny, on 16 March 2014 - 08:17 AM, said:

If the lobsters were free, why did the store take food stamps for them?  Sounds like fraud to me.  

:sarcasm:  :sarcasm:  :sarcasm:  :sarcasm:  :sarcasm:

the lobsters were free for him, not free for the taxpayers.
No, he paid for them with food stamps.  For the sake of all the people who need food stamps, and will lose out and face starvation if the GOP gets its way, I hope somebody in San Diego gets to the bottom of this and finds out if this guy qualified honestly.  Did he get paid for the interview?  If so, he probably no longer qualifies.

Does anybody else think he looks a little too Spicoli?  Hoax, perhaps?
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 08:17 PM

Whether he got paid for the interview or not, he got paid in publicity for his band, supposedly has a contract and record deal with a Cadillac SUV supposedly provided for his use by the record company.

Easy enough to prove ownership of the vehicle and he has gotten nothing else moneywise from the record company he has a deal with?  

Either way it all sounds hinky.

And yes, his financial arrangements should be carefully examined.

I'm trying to remember the questions they ask when you apply for SNAP but it seems like there was a question relating to other people providing you with money or support. Which I count providing  a person with a vehicle for their use at their own discretion as support.

Edited by Tricia, 16 March 2014 - 08:22 PM.

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Posted 22 March 2014 - 10:37 AM

'Food Stamp' Surfer Was Former GOP Darling
http://live.huffingt...e0004e0?cn=tbla

Guess what other musician was on food stamps before he got famous.   :D
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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:34 AM

View PostNonny, on 22 March 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

'Food Stamp' Surfer Was Former GOP Darling
http://live.huffingt...e0004e0?cn=tbla

Guess what other musician was on food stamps before he got famous.   :D

My problem isn't so much that he's a musician on food stamps...it's his whole attitude about it. He knows he's gaming the system, and is proud of it. Now whether or not that is his true opinion, or whether it's a stunt to create controversy in hopes of promoting his band, who knows?
"Sometimes you get the point of the sword, sometimes the edge, sometimes the flat of the blade (even if you're the Lord of the Sword) and sometimes you're the guy wielding it. But any day without the Sword or its Lord is one that could've been better  " ~Orpheus.

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 04:13 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 23 March 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

View PostNonny, on 22 March 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

'Food Stamp' Surfer Was Former GOP Darling
http://live.huffingt...e0004e0?cn=tbla

Guess what other musician was on food stamps before he got famous.   :D

My problem isn't so much that he's a musician on food stamps...it's his whole attitude about it. He knows he's gaming the system, and is proud of it. Now whether or not that is his true opinion, or whether it's a stunt to create controversy in hopes of promoting his band, who knows?
Yeah, but did you guess?
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Posted 23 March 2014 - 05:37 PM

View PostNonny, on 23 March 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:


Yeah, but did you guess?

I did try to guess, all my guesses were wrong. LOL. Never would've guessed he was on food stamps at one point.
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