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US Supreme Court Unanimous against Obama's recess appointments

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#1 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 26 June 2014 - 10:19 PM

http://www.politico....nts-108347.html


Wow! I'm going to have to google to see how many times the US Supreme Court has ruled unanimously. Personally I couldn't be happier with this ruling. I LOVE that the USSC slapped down Obama's power grab, telling him essentially that he isn't a King or a God, like he thinks he is. Hell, I just might have to get drunk over this one. And I rarely drink.
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Posted 26 June 2014 - 11:41 PM

The USCC rules unanimously about half the time. The media just likes to report on the 5-4 stuff.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 01:32 AM

Obama believes himself to be a king or a god? More like he believes he's the President of the United States, which just happens to be one of the most powerful positions on the planet. He believes this because it's true.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 05:54 AM

The ruling applied to only three of the recess appointments. The other part is that the recess appointments were motivated by the historic obstructionism of this congress to performing its most basic functions - like advise and consent - which was solved by enacting the nuclear option.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 06:52 AM

They also ruled unanimously to allow the religiously intolerant to bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of women seeking health care and the occasional abortion and call it prayer.
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#6 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 08:40 AM

View PostNeuralClone, on 27 June 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

Obama believes himself to be a king or a god? More like he believes he's the President of the United States, which just happens to be one of the most powerful positions on the planet. He believes this because it's true.

You're right, I really shouldn't say that since I don't KNOW how he thinks of himself. I can only go by his actions. And in 2008, as candidate Obama he gave speeches against Bush's use of executive powers, and not working with congress...The very same things he is currently doing. Too bad it isn't possible to hear what 2008 candidate Obama would have to say about 2014 President Obama.
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#7 Omega

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 09:01 AM

I fully agree that 2008 Obama and 2014 Obama are very different creatures. The Obama that tried to keep us in Iraq longer, and has violated the civil rights of Americans everywhere, is not the Obama that ran in 2008. But I disagree on the specifics in this instance.

We've seen Obama try to work with Congress. He's repeatedly handed the Republicans everything they claim to want, only to see nothing happen. You can't work with a Congress that refuses to do its job.

Given that, Obama is quite justified in trying to get things done without going through a dysfunctional congress, as long as he's exercising legitimate powers of the executive branch. I do think he crossed a line this time, and the USSC was correct in this ruling. There are limits to the power of the executive, any executive, and I'm glad to see them enforced.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 09:28 AM

The larger nonpartisan question here is - should we support efforts to diminish the power of the executive in some areas? Should the presidency be reduced to sonething akin to a prime minister role? With impeachment as the vote of no confidence?

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:12 AM

Won't work as long as you have two houses, each with legitimate power, and often controlled by opposing factions. Without a strong executive to cut through the bull, NOTHING would be accomplished, as anything that passed one house and was seen as partisan would be stopped in the other one.

It works in the UK because the House of Lords is essentially neutered. Sure they can object to stuff that happens in the HoP, but ultimately they can strip any changes the House of Lords makes back out again and carry on.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 10:23 AM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 27 June 2014 - 08:40 AM, said:

View PostNeuralClone, on 27 June 2014 - 01:32 AM, said:

Obama believes himself to be a king or a god? More like he believes he's the President of the United States, which just happens to be one of the most powerful positions on the planet. He believes this because it's true.

You're right, I really shouldn't say that since I don't KNOW how he thinks of himself. I can only go by his actions. And in 2008, as candidate Obama he gave speeches against Bush's use of executive powers, and not working with congress...The very same things he is currently doing. Too bad it isn't possible to hear what 2008 candidate Obama would have to say about 2014 President Obama.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 11:28 AM

I wish I could give this ^^^^ more Karma.  

Because that is essentially the truth.  Reality often clashes with intentions and declarations of  When I Am Elected I Will Do  or Not Do (fill in the blank)

Obama has bent over backwards in the past with the Republicans in Congress.  In fact, he has tried too hard to compromise only to have them get even more stubborn.  I swear he could say okay to all that they have asked for in the past--smaller government, etc--- only to have them say they want the opposite now. :rolleyes:

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 04:49 PM

View PostNonny, on 27 June 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

They also ruled unanimously to allow the religiously intolerant to bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of women seeking health care and the occasional abortion and call it prayer.

I assume they can't actual assault people while 'practicing' their free speech. This seems similar to a ruling a couple years ago regarding the West Boro Baptist protesting at funerals.

Has anyone every tried to charge abortion clinic protestor with harassment? I understand that perhaps some places the definitions of harassment would only include repeat behaviour on the same person/group. And while the patients may be a 'group' they aren't a organized identifiable group generally consisting of the same people. Thought corporations are people now aren't they... ;) Also, it doesn't have to be a patient that charges harassment, or are the protestors careful not to target the employees of these clinics?

I could understand how some people would argue that most protests could be constrewed as harassment and one has to watch the precedent one is setting. But most protests end, when either the protestors feel satisfied they have been heard and/or given up ;) Abortion clinic protestors are typically present every working day, aren't they? Are there any other similar protests going on with that kind of?

In some places one needs to apply for a permit for protests, correct? I would hope this is not so officials can squash free speech, but so that they can assess and determine what the permit to consist of to ensure people's safety. They may decide on a buffer (or route), especially if there are two 'opposing' groups. Or they made decide a recommend a police presence.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 06:11 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 27 June 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

View PostNonny, on 27 June 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

They also ruled unanimously to allow the religiously intolerant to bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of women seeking health care and the occasional abortion and call it prayer.

I assume they can't actual assault people while 'practicing' their free speech.

You would be wrong.  They can and do bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of people attempting to enter, and they get away with calling it prayer.

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Has anyone every tried to charge abortion clinic protestor with harassment?

Of course.  It never sticks, because prayer.

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Also, it doesn't have to be a patient that charges harassment, or are the protestors careful not to target the employees of these clinics?

Some of them are careful to target the employees for murder.

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I could understand how some people would argue that most protests could be constrewed as harassment and one has to watch the precedent one is setting. But most protests end, when either the protestors feel satisfied they have been heard and/or given up ;) Abortion clinic protestors are typically present every working day, aren't they? Are there any other similar protests going on with that kind of?

They seem to have endless time to pursue the forcing of their beliefs on everybody else.

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In some places one needs to apply for a permit for protests, correct? I would hope this is not so officials can squash free speech, but so that they can assess and determine what the permit to consist of to ensure people's safety. They may decide on a buffer (or route), especially if there are two 'opposing' groups. Or they made decide a recommend a police presence.

The buffer zone is what SCOTUS just stole from us.  Ironically, SCOTUS has a buffer zone of their own, the same size as the one they just stole.
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Posted 27 June 2014 - 06:43 PM

View PostNonny, on 27 June 2014 - 06:11 PM, said:

View Postsierraleone, on 27 June 2014 - 04:49 PM, said:

View PostNonny, on 27 June 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:

They also ruled unanimously to allow the religiously intolerant to bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of women seeking health care and the occasional abortion and call it prayer.

I assume they can't actual assault people while 'practicing' their free speech.

You would be wrong.  They can and do bite, kick, scratch, punch and scream straight into the faces of people attempting to enter, and they get away with calling it prayer.

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Has anyone every tried to charge abortion clinic protestor with harassment?

Of course.  It never sticks, because prayer.

I lost my original post were I specified they can't "legally" do so. As in, it would be a crime generally called assault. Have they been charged with assault and gotten away with it due to declaring their actions "prayer"?!

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Also, it doesn't have to be a patient that charges harassment, or are the protestors careful not to target the employees of these clinics?

Some of them are careful to target the employees for murder.

I know that a few self-declared pro-life people deserve the title of murderer instead. Or even terrorist. I have been reading up more on this particular decision and thought you might like this pro-choice opinion piece:

http://www.deathandt...ortion-clinics/

Though if we continue this topic we might just want to start a separate thread :)

Edited by sierraleone, 27 June 2014 - 06:43 PM.

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Posted 27 June 2014 - 08:06 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 27 June 2014 - 06:43 PM, said:

I lost my original post were I specified they can't "legally" do so. As in, it would be a crime generally called assault. Have they been charged with assault and gotten away with it due to declaring their actions "prayer"?!
Yes, over and over and over.

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I have been reading up more on this particular decision and thought you might like this pro-choice opinion piece:

http://www.deathandt...ortion-clinics/

Excellent piece.  Thanks for posting.

As horrifying as this is, it's the fact that it was unanimous that upsets me most.
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