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#21 DWF

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Posted 09 November 2014 - 09:19 PM

View PostCardie, on 09 November 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

But Danny had already been downloaded from the Nethersphere and was Cyber-ized. Does the Nethersphere keep a copy of the files after download?

The orginal Matrix was made up of brain tissue from dead Time Lords, if this version was based on that model there should be a copy of Danny left inside the Matrix.
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Posted 09 November 2014 - 10:19 PM

View PostCardie, on 09 November 2014 - 09:10 PM, said:

But Danny had already been downloaded from the Nethersphere and was Cyber-ized. Does the Nethersphere keep a copy of the files after download?

I imagine it's a cloud-memory sort of thing. I just recently figured out that when I delete e-mails from my smartphone, I'm deleting them from the actual mail server. So they're not really on my phone at all; they're on the server even though they act like they're in my phone. So I figure the Cyberman bodies were being remotely operated by minds that were still stored in the Matrix.
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#23 DWF

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Posted 10 November 2014 - 05:54 AM

Danny also didn't delete himself and that might another reason why he's still there in the Matrix.
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Posted 10 November 2014 - 06:41 AM

I think its just a case of the show going, Its Time Lord Tech anything is possible lol. I also think its to do with; A,that if you delete your emotions, links to the real world proper are severed somewhat and B, The Nethersphere is like its own pocket universe, so with the right help and technology its possible to return to the proper universe, Like Gallifrey will at some point

#25 DWF

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Posted 14 November 2014 - 10:52 PM

This sotry has given us a new set of Cybermen, not Mondsian/Telosian nor Lumic's version, so where'd they go and if we see them again will we know the difference?

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Missy's fate is like always up in the air and so is again the fate of the Master's TARDIS. We also have the mystery of who was behind the experiment in The Mummy On The Orient Express.

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:30 AM

View PostRJDiogenes, on 09 November 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

Okay, wait, did I just watch the Mistress unleash Plan 9 From Outer Space?  Who else would dare such a thing?!  :lol:


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#27 DWF

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 10:40 AM

Well Missy didn't really use zombies and since the Brigadier died about two years ago I have to wonder how much a body there was left to convert.
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Posted 15 November 2014 - 11:08 AM

^ Didn't some of the cybers rise from graves marked 100 or more years ago?  That implies that the nanotech (I assume that's what the cloud was spreading) could regenerate tissue.  Maybe they only needed a little bit of DNA to work with?

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 11:25 AM

Also, they said all graves were active, *all* of them, but that cybermen had only emerged from a relatively small percent so far.  That implies a longer time to regenerate tissue depending on on length of time since death.  Which implies that all the dead would eventually rise.

Hence the comments about the dead outnumbering the living, and Missy collecting minds for as long as humans had a concept of an afterlife.

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#30 DWF

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:00 PM

The cloud was burnt off though so no more nano created Cybermen, which of course makes them closer to the Borg than the Cybermen of old. Still it's hard to imagine how those Cybermen could be created by dust and let alone no metals to build their new bodies with. The more you think about the logistics the less sense the story makes. :shrug:
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Posted 15 November 2014 - 12:14 PM

Yes, they stopped the process, but that's what would have happened.

And why are you thinking about logistics?  :lol:  The comparison to Plan 9 From Outer Space still makes more sense!  :howling:

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#32 DWF

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:08 PM

View PostSci-Fi Girl, on 15 November 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Yes, they stopped the process, but that's what would have happened.

And why are you thinking about logistics?  :lol:  The comparison to Plan 9 From Outer Space still makes more sense!  :howling:

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:15 PM

View PostDWF, on 15 November 2014 - 10:40 AM, said:

Well Missy didn't really use zombies and since the Brigadier died about two years ago I have to wonder how much a body there was left to convert.

Also note that anyone who had been cremated would not be available for upgrade. It was only burials, which have been on the decrease since the late Victorians introduced crematoria because they were running out of land. And anyone in former churchyards now built over would have had a bit of a struggle to get out....
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#34 RJDiogenes

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 02:56 PM

View PostSci-Fi Girl, on 15 November 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:

View PostRJDiogenes, on 09 November 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

Okay, wait, did I just watch the Mistress unleash Plan 9 From Outer Space?  Who else would dare such a thing?!  :lol:


:howling:  :howling:  :howling:  :howling:  :howling:

Why didn't I notice that!  :freakoutnonny:  :spew:

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#35 Christopher

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 03:15 PM

View PostChakoteya, on 15 November 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Also note that anyone who had been cremated would not be available for upgrade. It was only burials, which have been on the decrease since the late Victorians introduced crematoria because they were running out of land.

Yes, which was the whole reason for the "Don't cremate me!" scam in part 1 -- to convince people to keep the bodies intact so they'd be available for Cyber-conversion.
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#36 Chakoteya

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 02:45 PM

Bit late for that when you're dead though.

Okay, my last thought on the whole deal.


BLEAH!
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Posted 16 November 2014 - 03:43 PM

View PostChakoteya, on 16 November 2014 - 02:45 PM, said:

Bit late for that when you're dead though.

Remember Part 1. Missy's scam was that the dead in the afterlife could still feel what happened to their bodies. This was to dissuade people from cremating the bodies, so that the corpses would be available to turn into Cybermen.
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