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#1 DWF

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Posted 24 September 2003 - 09:35 PM

http://story.news.ya...gu/davis_recall

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In the biggest debate of California's recall election, the five leading candidates seeking to replace Gov. Gray Davis (news - web sites) clashed over the state's struggling economy and whether the circus-like recall process has been good for the state.


The unique debate format allowed candidates to see the questions in advance and imposed no time limit on answers, providing a spectacle in which candidates jumped on top of each other's answers and at times shouted to prevent being drowned out.

This sounds like the circus is continuing. :wacko:
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Posted 24 September 2003 - 09:59 PM

It seemed like it was an episode of "Hans & Frans"  Ariana and Arnold taking over each other with competing accents!!

I was most impressed by the Camejo, McClintock and Bustemonte. They all stayed on the subject and were polite.  

Contrary to popular belief the other candidates did not gang up on Arnold.  But it is beyond me that anyone would think that Arnold could run a government.  He had more one-liners than Dylan Hunt!!
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Posted 24 September 2003 - 10:06 PM

I was at work, so only got to hear the last part of it. Good grief, the people talking and yelling over each other, especially Ah-nuld and Arianna. That was such a circus. And why did they get the intended questions ahead of time? Isn't that like taking a test when you've been given an answer sheet? Were there any questions at all about illegal immigration?

I'm still for McClintock, thanks...
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Posted 24 September 2003 - 10:12 PM

With respect, and I know this from experience since I was a extemporanous speaker on the Speech and Debate team in HS (get 20 min to research a topic and then speak intelligently for seven minutes on it), you can't expect everyone to know anything about everything.  Most politicians today cannot and do not keep the answers to all the issues bottled up in their head.  What you get from a debate with surprise questions, therefore, is sound bites more often than not (You're no Jack Kennedy).  It's like the question and answer session at the Miss America pageant.

Giving some time to prepare answers and cross exam may allow people to get trickier, but at least they have an opportunity to put real substance in.

Edited by Uncle Sid, 24 September 2003 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 24 September 2003 - 10:12 PM

Arnold and McClintock did reasonably well.

Bustamenta used "tough love" as a euphimism for "I'm going to raise your taxes some more!". Feh.

If I was voting, I'd have to go for McClintock as a protest vote. While he stands little chance, he's the one I'm closest to ideologically.
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Posted 24 September 2003 - 11:40 PM

McClintock came across to me as having the most sincerity abut the subjects. He seemed to have firm, decisive answers on how to fix things. And I agreed with him on most things. Too bad for California that he won't win. Maybe Arnold will ask him to Lt. Governor.

#7 GiGi

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Posted 24 September 2003 - 11:42 PM

If Arnold wins I may consider leaving this state.

It's been bloody hell to be a Californian lately.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 10:22 AM

The day I'll be impressed with any of them is the day they ALL sit down to a debate where they are NOT prepped on the questions and where they observe at least a modicum of courtesy.  :(

Edited by Rhea, 25 September 2003 - 10:23 AM.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 10:27 AM

Rhea, on Sep 25 2003, 08:22 AM, said:

The day I'll be impressed with any of them is the day they ALL sit down to a debate where they are NOT prepped on the questions and where they observe at least a modicum of courtesy.  :(
... ALL of them? :o.

Anyway, I disagree. I think this format has value.

Somebody can be very slick, and come up with good-sounding answers on the fly to virtually any question... and be completely ineffetive. Conversely, somebody could be a bit slower, and make fantastic decisions. In an executive position such as this, decisions don't often have to be made quickly, just correctly. Aside from natural disasters, there's no situation so pressing that a bit of lag time for analysis will cause massive problems.

That being said, I would also like to see how Arnold thinks on his feet. It's a shame we won't, but that probably is the more savvy political move. There's little to gain and much to lose.

EDIT: As for the lack of courtesy... blame too many candidates and an ineffective moderator. There was really no excuse for having more than the big three (plus maybe Davis) present

Edited by Javert Rovinski, 25 September 2003 - 10:29 AM.

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Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 12:32 PM

I disagree. People like Huffington and Camejo (other than major Democratic and Republican contenders) are too often excluded from a process in which they should be included. As it happens, I wouldn't vote for either one of them, but I applaud their being included.
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#11 HubcapDave

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 04:07 PM

Arianna was certainly gunning for Ahnuld, no doubt about that.

I think Ahnuld did ok, but part of me kept wishing we could somehow mash both him and McClintock into one candidate.

Well, we'll miss you in the state GiGi. I'll stay behind to enjoy it for the both of us!

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 04:15 PM

LOL!  I was having a fabulous dinner and night at the opera instead.  Sounds like I got the better deal...;)

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 04:34 PM

^ Well, if you missed the nationally televised debate, I'm guessing you probably missed the post-debate press conferences with the media.

Just call Arnold the "Collectinator" :D

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When I become governor, you can be sure that I will go to the federal government and demand more money from them, because, in general more money because we are paying-for each dollar that we are paying in federal taxes we only get back 77 cents. We want to get more of that money back. There is billions of dollars-more than $50 billion they are not giving us, so I will collect that. That’s why I said many times, when I am through with my term as governor, I will be known not only as the Terminator but as the Collectinator.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/971730.asp

Why didn't anybody think of this before?  Your state running in the red? No problemo!  Just tell the Federal government to give you more money!

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 04:36 PM

Oh my GOD.

That is just........:eek:


I would laugh if it weren't serious.
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Posted 25 September 2003 - 05:25 PM

HubcapDave, on Sep 25 2003, 01:07 PM, said:

Well, we'll miss you in the state GiGi. I'll stay behind to enjoy it for the both of us!

;)
Either that or I will start the petition to separate Northern and Southern Calif!

You all down there can have Arnold, unless of course Arnold Zieffle* shows up, now that is an Arnold I could vote for!!!  :lol:

*Edited to say because if that Arnold starts acting like a pig at least he has an excuse HE IS A PIG!  What is Schwarzenegger's excuse??!!!

PS Lil, yep... so want to join me in Oregon, or perhaps Seattle?  :wacko:

Edited by GiGi, 25 September 2003 - 05:29 PM.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 06:01 PM

Banapis, on Sep 25 2003, 02:34 PM, said:

^ Well, if you missed the nationally televised debate, I'm guessing you probably missed the post-debate press conferences with the media.

Just call Arnold the "Collectinator" :D

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When I become governor, you can be sure that I will go to the federal government and demand more money from them, because, in general more money because we are paying-for each dollar that we are paying in federal taxes we only get back 77 cents. We want to get more of that money back. There is billions of dollars-more than $50 billion they are not giving us, so I will collect that. That?s why I said many times, when I am through with my term as governor, I will be known not only as the Terminator but as the Collectinator.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/971730.asp

Why didn't anybody think of this before?  Your state running in the red? No problemo!  Just tell the Federal government to give you more money!

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Well, I don't know if how exactly he referred to it last night, but today I heard him on the Sean Hannity show, and he used that same remark in the context of getting to feds to pay the state for actions the state is taking that is the responsibility of the federal government.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 06:06 PM

GiGi, on Sep 25 2003, 03:25 PM, said:

HubcapDave, on Sep 25 2003, 01:07 PM, said:

Well, we'll miss you in the state GiGi. I'll stay behind to enjoy it for the both of us!

;)
Either that or I will start the petition to separate Northern and Southern Calif!

You all down there can have Arnold, unless of course Arnold Zieffle* shows up, now that is an Arnold I could vote for!!!  :lol:

*Edited to say because if that Arnold starts acting like a pig at least he has an excuse HE IS A PIG!  What is Schwarzenegger's excuse??!!!

PS Lil, yep... so want to join me in Oregon, or perhaps Seattle?  :wacko:
*AHEM*!

I live in Northern California, thank you very much! :angry:


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#18 Bad Wolf

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 06:18 PM

^Where in Northern California if I'm not being too nosy?

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 06:31 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Sep 25 2003, 04:18 PM, said:

^Where in Northern California if I'm not being too nosy?

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Not at all. I live in Redwood City (Climate Best By Government Test!), and my store is in San Mateo.

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Posted 25 September 2003 - 06:43 PM

well I now live in Daly City and work in San Francisco.  We should get together some time (if that is we can be civil about our differences in politics...;)).

Maybe to watch a baseball game or something.:)
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