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#501 yadda yadda

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 11:39 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 10 November 2016 - 10:30 PM, said:

Apparently Trump has his twitter account back:

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Donald J. TrumpVerified account
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Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!


:facepalm-f7e: :facepalm-f7e: :facepalm-f7e:

The man is literally 70 plus days from being President, the most powerful man in the USA...I'm sorry, but if you're President Elect you don't get to complain about protesters being unfair.

Not just protesters, LoTS, but "professional protesters", incited by the media. Granted, I've tuned out the political shows, but I follow Facebook, watch the news, and read a newspaper daily. I must've missed all the incitement. ;).  And if all these tens of thousands of professionals are protesting in multiple cities nationwide, they must belong to one hell of a strong union, the American Federated Brotherhood of Agitators? Seems like a promising post retirement career for an old union guy like me...I can be incited by the media in a heartbeat. I was wondering if he was going to keep going the Twitter route now that he's elected. Amazing. He never disappoints. If the protests are getting to him now, wait till his inauguration and every day in between. Maybe they'll let him slide on Christmas.

I remember how back in LBJ's last year before he suddenly decided to cancel his reelection campaign, the Vietnam war protesters would follow him wherever he appeared, or even outside the White House chanting..."hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today? It wore him down, and that tough old SOB was like a Texas armadillo compared to this thin-skinned mean tangerine. And unfair? Is he going to tweet "unfair!" when his buddy and admirer Vlad's Russian tanks roll into Lithuania, Belarus, or Poland? Thanks for seeing and commenting on the ridiculousness of his Twitter whine, even though he is your boy.  ;)

#502 gsmonks

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 11:40 PM

It can not be allowed that Trump become president, any more than it could be allowed if Hitler or Mussolini had been elected.

You can not have a sociopath in the oval office who doesn't have the least understanding of foreign affairs, who is a predatory criminal who will soon be up on charges, who is a bigot, who is reckless and doesn't give a rat's arse about the consequences of his actions.

We're not talking a Bush or a Nixon here. This is far different- a point that doesn't seem to have the power to penetrate the skulls of his moron apologists.

Edited by gsmonks, 10 November 2016 - 11:41 PM.

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#503 gsmonks

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:09 AM

Here's another example of life under your wonderful candidate, LOTS. This seems to be the America you want:

http://nextshark.com...trumps-victory/
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#504 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:09 AM

View Postyadda yadda, on 10 November 2016 - 11:39 PM, said:

Granted, I've tuned out the political shows,

I've actually been following them, on Fox and MSNBC, mainly because I wanted to see the response from guests on those shows who swore up and down that Hillary was going to win. Not surprisingly not one of those guests who swore Hillary would win has been on ANY of the shows they use to frequent. LOL.
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#505 sierraleone

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:36 AM

Expect to wear that emoji out, possibly before Inauguration Day.

Edited by sierraleone, 11 November 2016 - 12:36 AM.

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#506 gsmonks

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:43 AM

And here we go- race crimes suddenly spike all across America due to Trump victory:

https://www.google.c...138169073,d.amc

https://www.google.c...138169073,d.amc

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https://www.google.c...3,d.amc&cad=rja

http://www.inquisitr...invoking-trump/

https://www.indy100....lection-7410156

https://www.google.c...ZdyCIXVQooX9YaA

https://www.google.c...pu27g5xkAF00grQ

https://www.google.c...__NVtNklevlu68g

https://www.google.c...l5R6xYz3VPuwvVA

https://www.google.c...XgjN369lDiWHOCQ

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https://www.google.c...AEDZb4jgZO-dCyg

https://www.google.c...e68AfRioxFcHddg

https://www.google.c...A3d7A9MBdHa8fhA

https://www.google.c...NM8RU5cSj4eCbEQ

https://www.google.c...DLDbUZu5qpFlqtA

https://www.google.c...X7NEplnDP-Js6sw

And these are just a few of the 3,360,000 links that have popped up since Dumb Donald was elected.
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#507 Niko

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 07:00 AM

View Postgsmonks, on 11 November 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

And these are just a few of the 3,360,000 links that have popped up since Dumb Donald was elected.

And the radicalization of our next-generation of home-grown terrorists begins.   If that "man" had an ounce of leadership in his body, he'd at LEAST be throwing out platitudes to "reassure" people that "of course his administration will protect ALL legal citizens of every race" and that he doesn't condone that behavior now that we're all supposedly supposed to be "coming together".   Hey, Donald, how "unfair" is it that those protestors you're whining about can have no faith whatsoever that the president of the united states will even deign to acknowledge if/when these emboldened racists move from taunts to attacks/murder?  (I figure that will be the day after the inauguration, if not sooner.)

Trump supporters can spout all the "what it's really abouts" they want, but they knowingly voted for this, and any blood spilled going forward is on their hands just as much as Donald's.  (But, hey, they all "probably deserved it", right?)
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#508 Lord of the Sword

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 12:16 PM

View PostNiko, on 11 November 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:


And the radicalization of our next-generation of home-grown terrorists begins.  

Speaking of home grown terror"



These black teens viciously attacked this innocent man, all because of who they thought he voted for. After this encounter it really wouldn't surprise me to learn that the guy that was attacked went to the nearest gun store and bought several guns. So America just got another pissed off armed citizen, who probably is feeling a little racist himself at the moment. All because of punks who don't want to respect the election results.
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#509 Elara

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 03:00 PM

View PostLord of the Sword, on 11 November 2016 - 12:16 PM, said:

These black teens viciously attacked this innocent man, all because of who they thought he voted for. After this encounter it really wouldn't surprise me to learn that the guy that was attacked went to the nearest gun store and bought several guns. So America just got another pissed off armed citizen, who probably is feeling a little racist himself at the moment. All because of punks who don't want to respect the election results.

Well, I am not signing in to watch the video, but I did notice the comments (real winners there). I will wait to find out if this was truly an attack because of who the person voted for or not, before I comment on that aspect. I will say that no one should be attacked in this manner.

However, your insistence that it's simply "punks who don't want to respect the election results", if it's true they attacked the man for that reason, it's still not quite the whole story. People like Trump have been pushing for this type of attitude for many years. Palin placing a target over people's pictures comes to mind immediately. Doing everything they can to pit all the people against each other. True to the past examples of complete insanity, Trump constantly encouraged violence against those who didn't agree with him and his followers. So really, what do you and all who incite violence expect? This is exactly what he wanted, what he told people to do, and now the innocent will pay. And that, is our new leader.
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#510 Niko

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 03:54 PM

^Elara, just fyi for purposes of the conversation, the person filming says "Did he vote for Trump? He voted for Trump!", but there's no indication that that person is anything but a bystander jumping to conclusions.

And yes, amen to your point.  You take a group of people who have been struggling for years to make their voices heard via more peaceful means, and under a government that they had a reasonable expectation would be sympathetic to their cause... and instead of society supporting that, half of their fellow citizens give a resounding "Right on!" for the guy whose "Law and Order" platform is pretty explicitly promising to make those uppity n---s shut up about their dead sons/brothers/fathers (because they probably deserved it), and kicking any brown-skinned people with accents out of the country.    You put an entire, HUGE demographic of your country on notice that their elected officials do NOT care what happens to them and WILL NOT care if they're lynched in their front lawns... you make a group of people afraid for their lives, and the lives of their children, you're damn well gonna have some unrest.
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Posted 11 November 2016 - 08:31 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 07 September 2016 - 05:21 PM, said:

Hey, I don't get it. Trump said today his plan to deal with ISIS is to convene all his generals within 30 days of his inauguration so they can give him a plan to deal with ISIS. Whassup? I thought he said had a secret plan to get rid of ISIS because he knew more than all the generals about ISIS. Why doesn't he just call in the generals on Day One of his administration, spell out the plan for them, and then send them off to do his bidding?

Mark: Trump knows more about ISIS than all the generals, because he himself is the grand leader of ISIS.   BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  :suspect:      ;)
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Posted 11 November 2016 - 11:55 PM

Because I have many Asian friends and relatives (through marriage, and the crowd I grew up with on the one hand, and a long-standing love-affair with various Asian cultures on the other), I'm hearing all kinds of awful stuff through the grape vine. The sister of one of my brothers in law was accosted in NYC and told to "Go back to China ya f---ing Chink!" by a gang of rednecks. She's Japanese-American. Was born in the US. Is 6th-generation American from California. Is one of the kindest, sweetest people I know. The image of her being accosted by a gang of potentially violent rednecks sickens me.

Because of which generation these kids belong to, they're all over social media with this stuff right now, so I'm pretty much hearing about it 3rd hand, when us old farts finally hear about it on Facebook. So I'm hearing about this stuff after the fact, and like the old days, when it took letters months, even years, to criss-cross the globe, my generation is experiencing a lag until the information finally catches up to us.

It's beginning to dawn on me that this is not a good thing, because the stuff that's happening is being sanitised somewhat before it reaches my ears. These kids now have the ability to experience this stuff in something close to real time. So I'm beginning to worry that people of my generation are losing the sense of urgency these events are producing as they're happening.
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#513 yadda yadda

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Posted 21 November 2016 - 12:07 PM

Just an update on the presidential national popular vote tally...

Clinton ~~~~ 63,649,978  48%

Trump ~~~~  61,943,670  46.7%

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 03:04 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 21 November 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

Just an update on the presidential national popular vote tally...

Clinton ~~~~ 63,649,978  48%

Trump ~~~~  61,943,670  46.7%


*UPDATE*

Hillary Clinton has moved to more than a 2 million popular vote lead over Drumpf in the latest updated tally on Cook Politics site.  

Clinton ~~~~ 64,223,958

Drumpf ~~~~ 62,206,395

Hillary Rodham Clinton has now received more votes than any white man in history.

Or orange ones, too.

Edited by yadda yadda, 23 November 2016 - 05:17 PM.


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 06:21 PM

Story in USA Today today about electoral college members being bombarded with e-mails asking them to vote for Hillary.  Which, imo, they would if the reason the founders  put this stupid system in place were followed.  Unfortunately, apparently the likelihood is slim and none.
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Posted 24 November 2016 - 12:58 PM

Yeah, it's terrible that one nominee can get more Americans voting for them but still lose the election, and I'd say this even if it were Hillary winning the electoral college and Trump getting more actual votes cast for him. It's a flawed system that isn't doing what it was designed to do.

My parents are happy, though. They hate Hillary, and since the electoral college system has screwed over Democrats in two recent presidential elections they have no problem with it. I'm sure when the shoe's on the other foot they'll be screaming bloody murder and want to do away with the electoral college system.

I hope throughout this first four years (and hopefully his only four years) Trump keeps getting dogged about his tweets from the Obama/Romney election and how the person who wins the electoral college but loses the popular vote is an illegitimate president.
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#517 sierraleone

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 12:28 PM

The market has spoken!

Not to be rude, market-tested proof that conservative / right-wingers tend to be more gullible than liberals:

There is an NPR article where they investigated and uncovered one person of huge influence behind fake news.

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Coler's company, Disinfomedia, owns many faux news sites — he won't say how many. But he says his is one of the biggest fake-news businesses out there, which makes him a sort of godfather of the industry.
...
However, Coler insists this is not about money. It's about showing how easily fake news spreads. And fake news spread wide and far before the election. When I pointed out to Coler that the money gave him a lot of incentive to keep doing it regardless of the impact, he admitted that was "correct."
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He doesn't think fake news swayed the election.

"There are many factors as to why Trump won that don't involve fake news," he says. "As much as I like Hillary, she was a poor candidate. She brought in a lot of baggage."
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When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.

I switch between feeling like laughing and feeling like crying at this story.

Edited by sierraleone, 26 November 2016 - 02:13 PM.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 02:23 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 26 November 2016 - 12:28 PM, said:

The market has spoken!

Not to be rude, market-tested proof that conservatives tend to be more gullible than liberals:

There is an NPR article where they investigated and uncovered one person of huge influence behind fake news.

Quote

Coler's company, Disinfomedia, owns many faux news sites — he won't say how many. But he says his is one of the biggest fake-news businesses out there, which makes him a sort of godfather of the industry.
...
However, Coler insists this is not about money. It's about showing how easily fake news spreads. And fake news spread wide and far before the election. When I pointed out to Coler that the money gave him a lot of incentive to keep doing it regardless of the impact, he admitted that was "correct."
...
He doesn't think fake news swayed the election.

"There are many factors as to why Trump won that don't involve fake news," he says. "As much as I like Hillary, she was a poor candidate. She brought in a lot of baggage."
...
When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.

I switch between feeling like laughing and feeling like crying at this story.

This article illustrates my biggest fear about the direction of our country. Right-wing oriented people are indeed more gullible, less governed by objectivity, fact, and rationality. A lot of them limit themselves to Fox and even less factually based sources of information. They marinate in a stew of incendiary propaganda reflecting and then confirming their bias. Having nearly half the country existing in a fact poor bubble is troublesome for our democracy...these people are easily duped or misled by anyone with access to today's media, be it Russians, corporate oligarchs like the Koch's, or financially invested interests like Rupert Murdoch and his ilk. The only thing to counter this poison is the fact that older staunch right-wingers are a vanishing breed, succumbing to old age and natural causes or getting their health care repealed. The younger, more diverse, more progressive demographic factions will keep increasing year to year, thankfully.

Case in point, LoTS posted a linked article earlier on the board from 'The Denver Guardian', a known fake news right wing propaganda website masquerading as a true news organization. It was a story about some fictitious FBI agent committing murder-suicide and burning down his house. This make-believe agent was supposedly investigating the HRC e-mail case and the story's insinuation was that the make-believe deaths were similar to suspicious incidents where "opponents" of Clinton ended up dead, possibly to hush them up. LoTS posted this link with the comment that maybe James Comey might end up similarly silenced, having committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice. LoTS was called out immediately by someone informing him that the link and info was bogus, but he did not respond. I have brought it to his attention twice, asking if he was aware it was false information that he had linked. He has failed to respond either time.

So it's hard to know how folks who are amenable to this sort of false persuasion think. It seems like if it sounds good and appeals to their mind's made up impenetrable worldview then it's incorporated as "fact", no matter how implausible or ridiculous. Hence all the Obama as Muslim/communist/socialist/Nazi memes circulated during the past 8 years and solidly ingrained in the Republican/right-wing consciousness and belief systems. These people will believe literally anything as long as it comes in hot, angry, and designed to appeal to their prejudices and fears.

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 02:44 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 26 November 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

This article illustrates my biggest fear about the direction of our country. Right-wing oriented people are indeed more gullible, less governed by objectivity, fact, and rationality. A lot of them limit themselves to Fox and even less factually based sources of information. They marinate in a stew of incendiary propaganda reflecting and then confirming their bias. Having nearly half the country existing in a fact poor bubble is troublesome for our democracy...these people are easily duped or misled by anyone with access to today's media, be it Russians, corporate oligarchs like the Koch's, or financially invested interests like Rupert Murdoch and his ilk.

I re-came across an interesting theory/research regarding conservative vs liberal thinking/feeling tendencies that I had come across a couple of years ago, and had forgotten. Looking at it again this week, after 8 years of Obama and this election season, I have looked at it with new eyes. And I came around to think of a way that theory actually can support why conservatives tend to be more susceptible towards accepting false news. I might post about that later when I have a good block of time.

Unrelated to this theory, a worse thing I have read is that if information is presented to people debunking their "facts"/beliefs, it actually makes people cling to false information and beliefs more. How do you fix THAT? What hope is there if they just close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and raise their voice?

Edited by sierraleone, 26 November 2016 - 02:49 PM.

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Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
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Rule#4: Be outraged.
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Rule#6: Remember the future.
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Posted 26 November 2016 - 02:54 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 26 November 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

.

Case in point, LoTS posted a linked article earlier on the board from 'The Denver Guardian', a known fake news right wing propaganda website masquerading as a true news organization. It was a story about some fictitious FBI agent committing murder-suicide and burning down his house. This make-believe agent was supposedly investigating the HRC e-mail case and the story's insinuation was that the make-believe deaths were similar to suspicious incidents where "opponents" of Clinton ended up dead, possibly to hush them up. LoTS posted this link with the comment that maybe James Comey might end up similarly silenced, having committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice. LoTS was called out immediately by someone informing him that the link and info was bogus, but he did not respond. I have brought it to his attention twice, asking if he was aware it was false information that he had linked. He has failed to respond either time.

Oh for crying out loud...I posted that link, and my comments (Which should've been obvious to just about anyone that I was being sarcastic) as a joke. I KNOW Liberals don't really GET sarcasm, but sarcasm is a form of humor. Granted, most of the time it is not politically correct...perhaps that's why liberals don't get it? I don't know.
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