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Agents of SHIELD: S04E01 - The Ghost

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#1 G-man

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 07:52 AM

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With the Sokovia Accords and with Hydra destroyed, S.H.I.E.L.D. no longer needs to operate in the shadows; Coulson and Mack team up to confirm the presence of Inhumans; May needs to train specialist strike teams.



Yep, it's back, and guess who's coming with it.



And finally, a sneak peak:



I am really looking forward to this one.  Remember, True Believers, it's on ABC, Tuesday, at a new time of 10pm Eastern/9pm Central.

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Edited by G-man, 20 September 2016 - 12:00 PM.

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#2 RJDiogenes

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 06:48 PM

I wonder how they will portray Ghost Rider. Will he be an Inhuman, or are they bringing in a supernatural element to tie in with the Doc Strange movie?
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#3 G-man

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 12:01 PM

I believe it's going to be the latter ....

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 06:07 PM

That's going to be quite a game changer....
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 04:18 AM

I got to hand it to TPTB. After last season, was willing to give up on Agents of Shield. But with the introduction of Ghost Rider, my interest in the show picked right up.

Having watched the episode...Ghost Rider is just bada$$. Pure awesomeness. So looking forward to more...And I really don't see how Shield is going to be able to handle Ghost Rider. What was that ghost spirit thing though? the one that was making everyone go crazy? And it looks like May might be affected also.

I'm curious as to how and why Coulson is no longer director though? I mean, practically speaking, that's like making a 4 star general a private again. I just don't see someone demoted like that remaining part of the organization that dissed them like that.
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#6 G-man

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 09:33 AM

It was partially addressed in the episode:  There was a restructuring once SHIELD regained its status as a publically recognized and supported agency of the US Government.  Why?  At the least, those in power wanted people they could trust running this rather resourceful and potent organization, and they didn't trust Coulson to not pursue his own agenda that ran counter to their wishes. IOW, it's politics.  As for Coulson remaining with the organization, well, he still believes in SHIELD's core-mission, and this way he still retains access to SHIELD's resources, and can influence how their new policies are implemented in the field.

What I found surprising in this restructuring is Simmons' new role in the hierarchy, as well as her inadvertent estrangement from he erstwhile team-mates.  On one hand, it does make sense, both from Simmons' love of structure and rules; and her desire to be in a position to help out her friends.  Unfortunately, when her friends are engaged in unsanctioned activities (e.g. Fitz, the doctor, and the development of the LMD; and Colson and May's pursuit Daisy), this means they must keep her in the dark.  Which leads to the common refrain of how everything now "is a secret."

Also interesting is that Yoyo is supporting Daisy, even while Mack and Coulson are hunting her.

Finally, it was nice to see Fitz-Simmons are now a couple.

Oh yeah, I loved how they executed for Ghost Rider, genuinely frightening, and it looked like it was genuinely evaluating Daisy and found her to be worth sparing.  I have to wonder how things will workout if the alter-ego decides Daisy has to go, but Ghost Rider decides otherwise.  I'm unfamiliar with the backstory for the car-diving version that the show is running with ... would someone please fill me in.  From the show, it seems that though the two inhabit the same body, the are separate entities.

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Edited by G-man, 21 September 2016 - 02:52 PM.

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 12:35 PM

Here's the info on the Ghost Rider they are doing: http://marvel.wikia....eyes_(Earth-616)
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 01:41 PM

Thanks for that, LotS.

At first blush, it appears to me as if they are combining Roberto Reyes with the Spirit of Vengeance (instead of Eli) ... so, we'll see how this plays out.

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Edited by G-man, 21 September 2016 - 01:42 PM.

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Let me do right to all, and wrong no man.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 06:17 PM

I also got the impression that they were combining characters.  I'm only familiar with the Johnny Blaze character, though, not any of the others.  I did think it was cool that they used Blaze's distinctive leathers, but this character is a brutal killer. Blaze was never like that (not when I was reading, anyway-- considering what Marvel does to their characters now, that may have changed).  The flaming car was cooler than I expected.  I did find myself wishing that Reyes' brother had become Ghost Rider instead-- imagine Ghost Rider in a flaming wheelchair.  :D  They do seem to be portraying him as supernatural in origin, rather than an Inhuman, but it's hard to be sure.

Anyway, it was a good episode, if a bit jarring for someone who doesn't watch the movies. Coulson is demoted to agent again-- and I wonder what Fury thinks about that-- and we've got an unseen director, who is evidently not the hands-on type. The team is mostly split up and Daisy is being hunted as a criminal or terrorist. I got my wish that SHIELD is a legitimate organization again, but it didn't happen quite the way I wanted-- aside from happening offscreen, it seems to have happened because of the Superhero Civil War, not because of Coulson's efforts.

I'm not quite sure where they're going with the android. The use of the word decoy makes me think this is going to be about LMDs, but I kind of thought those multiple guys who ran the SHIELD bases would turn out to be LMDs.  One bad thing is that they're keeping this a secret from Gemma, because of her favored position with the new director-- but everybody seems to be doing that. From a political standpoint, the crazy doctor would have been wiser to not make his android in the image of a beautiful woman who walks around naked, but I can't bring myself to complain too much about that.

It was nice to see that Yo Yo is still around. I loved her flirting with Mack. He seems a bit shy.  :laughtears:
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 09:09 PM

I forget...Did they ever offer an explanation for the drastic decrease in Daisy's powers? I mean, before she was literally shaking down mountains, no problem. No all of a sudden she has a hard time holding up a mere metal scaffolding? And her bones are being fractured by use of her powers now for some reason?
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 08:05 AM

Well, what they offered was the fact that Daisy wasn't taking care of herself, hence the recurrence of the fractures that she needed the medicine for.

The implication is, to me, that Daisy was essentially exhausted from her relentless one-woman crusade against the watchdogs, which, when coupled with the stress of running from SHIELD and the authorities, suggests that she wasn't getting the rest she really needed.  IOW, her powers were running on fumes, thus their relative ineffectiveness.

Also, that survivor's guilt/death wish thing she's harboring probably wasn't helping matters either.

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Posted 22 September 2016 - 08:16 AM

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Coulson is demoted to agent again-- and I wonder what Fury thinks about that-- and we've got an unseen director, who is evidently not the hands-on type. The team is mostly split up and Daisy is being hunted as a criminal or terrorist. I got my wish that SHIELD is a legitimate organization again, but it didn't happen quite the way I wanted-- aside from happening offscreen, it seems to have happened because of the Superhero Civil War, not because of Coulson's efforts.

I'd argue it was a combination of Coulson's efforts to keep the organization viable and relevant coupled with the Sarkovia Accords that restored SHIELD's legitimacy

As for Fury, given that this is supposedly a Government operation, he doesn't have the authority to name his successor.  He can appoint someone to act as Director until such time as the successor is named, he can even nominate someone for the role, but the decision rests with the President and Congress.  And given Coulson's track record of trying to do what's right as opposed to what he was told, yeah, I can see how TPTB would rather he not remain in that position and instead install someone who was more loyal to them.

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Let me be considerate of my country, of my fellow citizens, and my associates in everything I say and do.
Let me do right to all, and wrong no man.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 11:57 AM

There's also the fact that Coulson's still supposed to be dead, so he can't exactly be the public face of the agency.
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Posted 22 September 2016 - 05:40 PM

Didn't Daisy have to wear some kind of high-tech brace or splint last year to keep her bones from breaking?  She wouldn't have access to that as a rogue.

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As for Fury, given that this is supposedly a Government operation, he doesn't have the authority to name his successor.  He can appoint someone to act as Director until such time as the successor is named, he can even nominate someone for the role, but the decision rests with the President and Congress.  And given Coulson's track record of trying to do what's right as opposed to what he was told, yeah, I can see how TPTB would rather he not remain in that position and instead install someone who was more loyal to them.  
Yeah, but he's Fury.  He's larger than life. A force of nature. And where is he, anyway, now that SHIELD is legit again?  Is he still of the radar, doing his own crazy thing?  Or will he suddenly show up out of the blue and remind everyone that they are wrong unless they are following his advice?

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There's also the fact that Coulson's still supposed to be dead, so he can't exactly be the public face of the agency.  
Is there any good reason for anyone to be keeping Coulson's viability secret?  Is there even anyone who doesn't know, except maybe for the Avengers?
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Posted 23 September 2016 - 12:16 PM

And yet, SHIELD is still [presumably] part of the US Government and therefore must be governed by its rules.  Fury may not like the route it took, but since he is "officially" dead, he has effectively relinquished all control once and for all.

However, having Fury wander the country as "the man with no name," righting wrongs and kicking hiney could work as a concept.  Just call him, Nomad ;)  Of course, his appearance on he Helicarrier might put a damper on that scenario.  But given his absence in Civil War, I have to suppose that he was not running the Avengers.

You don't think they put Fury back in charge of SHIELD, do you?

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Edited by G-man, 24 September 2016 - 06:14 AM.

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 05:08 PM

No, there's some new character in charge that we haven't seen yet-- unless he's a figurehead and Fury is the man behind the curtain.

Presumably, Fury is still off the grid with his own resources-- which I'm sure are considerable-- and working on his own agenda, whatever that might be.

So both Fury and Coulson are "officially" dead?  I don't blame them, actually.  You probably don't have to pay taxes if you're officially dead.
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