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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:40 PM

Seeing as how the House Intelligence Committee is having a public hearing today and they and the Senate Intelligence Committee will have more public hearings, and hopefully an independent investigatory body may be empaneled, this thread is intended for discussion of that activity.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:58 PM

The thread title got cut off, I guess for being too lengthy, but it had the word "collusion" after 45. Today's hearing is droning on and on with Republicans zeroed in on the leaks of classified information, especially in regards to Gen. Flynn's phone calls and meetings with the Russian ambassador. Democrats seemed more interested in questioning aspects of the web of circumstantial activities of 45 associates, campaign surrogates, and administration officials in regards to contact with Russians officials and interests.

On most questions from either camp most of the answers from FBI Director Comey and NSA Director Rogers were "can't comment on that" in regard to classified info, ongoing investigations, and specific Trump associates who might be targets of investigation. The main issues revealed were that Comey admitted there was an ongoing criminal investigation of Russian influence and activity coupled with the 45 campaign involvement and that there was no evidence or factual basis for 45's accusatory tweeted statements about Obama supposedly wiretapping him or 45's Tower.

I am always amazed at the oily shininess of Trey Gowdy's nose and forehead. Perhaps he could serve as a valuable national resource in the US Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Or as a spokesman for STP or Pennzoil Synthetic Oil.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:36 PM

https://www.yahoo.co...-232954307.html

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The public confirmation of an investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and a foreign government was only one of the many stunning moments during Comey’s testimony. Comey testified that he did not inform congressional leaders about the existence of the probe “until recently” because “of its sensitivity.” Along with NSA director Mike Rogers, who also testified, the FBI director disputed President Trump’s contention in tweets on March 4 that his predecessor, President Barack Obama, had wiretapped him. Both said they had “no information” to support that.

Comey and Rogers both said they found no information about Trump's accusation that he was wiretapped which I think everyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Trump knew the second after Trump tweeted those lies. Of course, Trump is just digging himself deeper. He has said that he meant wiretapping broadly and really meant surveillance of any kind and then said that members of his campaign were under surveillance because of the Russia investigation and then he said that it wasn't any of the U.S. agencies that Obama got to wiretap him but a British one. He keeps changing his story and coming up with new lies to make his claim credible every time more proof comes out that he lied to the American people. This isn't even a typical lie that all politicians and Presidents tell. This was a staggering claim that a sitting President put a candidate for the office under surveillance during and after the campaign. If it had been true it would have been a massive scandal. Instead, it's a massive scandal because Trump lied and is now refusing to own up to it. Is this what we should expect every time a scandal hits Trump? He's just going to make up a lie and throw some innocent person under the bus? (Also, I realize there are those who don't like Obama and don't think he's "Innocent" but in regards to the specific claims Trump made about Obama he is innocent). He's also claiming that the Russian hacking scandal is just a big lie created by Democrats.

What I also found funny in a sad, tragic sort of way is that apparently the investigation into Russia hacking our election and the ties between Russia and Trump's campaign began during the campaign, but Comey said nothing about it. Yet he had no problem letting the world know that the FBI had a laptop from someone not really connected to Hillary that might possibly contain e-mails that might be related to the private server scandal right before the election.
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 11:17 PM

I realize this thread subject and content could be considered appropriate to the "POTUS 2017, post inauguration thread". If that is more convenient and less confusing I have no issue if a mod or admin chooses to fold it in over there.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:23 AM

The twists and turns in this House Intelligence Committee are as hard to stomach and keep up with as a ride on a corkscrew roller coaster. Since Monday's public hearing where FBI Director fingered the 45 campaign for possible links to collusion with the Russian election derailment mission we now have Republican Committee Chair Devin Nunes schlepping classified information over to 45 at the White House aimed at bolstering the so-called president's fake news claim to being wiretapped by Obama. No evidence was produced or introduced, just claims on Nunes' part that he had been brought information purportedly showing that 45 and or associates had been included in incidental collection of intelligence info which was then transcribed or mentioned in intelligence reports or briefings.

These actions of a supposedly objective investigator ( Nunes) hand delivering classified information to the SUBJECT of an investigation seems a bit of an ethical conundrum and cast doubts on the innate bias and agenda of the committee chairman. Challenges to the actions of Nunes by Ranking Committee Member Schiff and Senator McCain have intensified and provided context for the creation of an independent Select Committee or Commission to take over and guide a non partisan investigation of these matters the FBI has laid out as proper and of relevance.

Interesting to note that Rep. Schiff also upgraded his assessment of evidence of potential 45 administration Russian collusion from " circumstantial" to beyond circumstantial. President 45's tiny hands caught inside a Russian cookie jar, perhaps? We can only hope and dream...:)

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 09:08 PM

A groundhog couldn't see his shadow with this many clouds overhead….

I heard someone say earlier this week, and we are having hearings on this guy's Supreme Court nominee…. why? Wouldn't the reasons to not hold, or to delay, hearings, with these clouds of suspicions, a lot more reasonable than the reasons given to stop Obama's nominee? I mean, this isn't a job that the nominee can get kicked onto of once s/he is confirmed, unlike say Cabinet picks and other positions a new President could replace at will.
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Posted 27 March 2017 - 12:03 PM

Just an update on the House Intelligence Committee shenanigans being pulled by Chairman Devin Nunes. He has canceled tomorrow's scheduled public hearing in which fired by 45 former Deputy Atty General Sally Yates was scheduled to appear and testify. Besides that he has canceled today's scheduled 5 o'clock meeting with the rest of the committee, assumedly so as to avoid having to reveal the classified information he received and or returned to/from 45 and the source to the other committee members.

And therein lies the rub. Reports are in that Nunes visited the White House the day before his press conference concerning this "information" and met his source there to view the information in the WH's secure location for viewing classified material. That raises the question, why did Nunes go to the White House to meet his source for the classified information he later brought back to the White House for 45's edification? Who was his source and who was edifying whom? How can the Intelligence Oversight Chairman, in place as a check and balance on the Executive Branch instead serve as a presidential informant and lackey? Why is Nunes seeking to cancel hearings and meetings in wake of his information leak to a president under FBI investigation?

ETA: Sen. Chuck Schumer has called for on the Senate Floor that Speaker Ryan replace Devin Nunes as Chairman of the House Intelligence Oversight Committee. In return, Ryan has given Chairman Nunes the obligatory vote of confidence in his ability to carry out that duty. And 45 adminstration official and 45's son-in-law Jared Kushner has volunteered to appear before the Senate Intelligence Committee to answer questions about his under the radar Trump Tower meeting (along with Flynn) with Russian ambassador Kislyak and the head of the Russian state-owned bank.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 08:06 PM

Senators Burr and Warner, Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee held a joint press conference today and gave every indication and hope that their committee will go the extra mile in getting to the bottom of the Russia election interference / 45 administration collusion scenarios. This is welcome insofar as it looks like Devin Nunes, at 45's bidding, has decided to do his best to distract and derail the House Intel Committee's investigation into the same areas.

My hope and expectation, the thing that keeps my spirits high, is that the FBI is going to squeeze Paul Manafort's  and Mike Flynn's cojones so hard, promising serious prison time and personal bank account and asset seizure for all their traitorous and illegal money laundering activity that they snitch and squeal like outhouse rats on our Russian-Stooge-in-Chief. A glorious well deserved presidential perp walk out across the White House lawn! A better show even than the White House Easter egg hunt!

Edited by yadda yadda, 30 March 2017 - 01:00 AM.


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 09:40 PM

Trump loves his presidential photo-opps, and boy would that be a doozy! :D

Edited by sierraleone, 29 March 2017 - 09:43 PM.

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

It appears Michael Flynn is offering to testify in exchange for immunity. It is on the Wall Street Journal though I don't have a subscription to see the whole article.
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Posted 30 March 2017 - 09:53 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 30 March 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

It appears Michael Flynn is offering to testify in exchange for immunity. It is on the Wall Street Journal though I don't have a subscription to see the whole article.

Yes, it looks like they've got his cojones in a garlic press and he's just begging to squeal like a pig and spill the beans about his so-called president in order to stay out of jail. His lawyer sent letters to both Congressional Intel Committees and the FBI, the one that really counts, to "tell his story" in exchange for immunity from criminal prosecution. The thing is for old Mikey, the G-men may already have the goods on him through surveillance and his legal miscues and national security violations in whoring himself out to foreign powers while having top secret clearance and responsibilities.

Sweet irony of ironies was the sound bite of Flynn from the Republican convention leading the cheers to "lock her up" as regards HRC and stating that for her aides taking limited immunity from the FBI for access to their laptops that accepting immunity must mean they were guilty of crimes. How does that shoe feel on the other foot, Mike?  ;)

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:44 PM

The NY Times and Washington Post carried stories the past two days that identified the White House officials who allowed Devin Nunes access to the classified files at the White House that Nunes held press conferences about and then "briefed" 45 on the information the so-called president's own officials sourced and provided.

One of these clowns is a White House lawyer named Ellis who...wait for it, used to work for Nunes as a staffer on the Intel Committee. The other guy, Ezra Cohen-Watnick is a National Security Council official who was brought there by Crooked Mike Flynn. When the new NSA, General McMaster, tried to fire this Flynn holdover, Cohen-Watnick went to Jared Kushner to ask him to intercede with 45 to let him keep his job. 45 said ok, overruling McMaster. There seems to be a feeling among those who know that the power behind putting these cogs in motion to try to dredge up some corroborating cover for 45's "Obama wiretapped me" tweets was Steve Bannon who had himself appointed to the NSC in an Executive Order he crafted and had the so-called president sign without reading it. Going through raw intelligence files for political purposes is a violation of ethical standards for those granted security clearance. That's not their job or mission. Nor would it be for Bannon, pulling their puppet strings.

Edited by yadda yadda, 31 March 2017 - 09:08 AM.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 12:09 PM

House Intel Chairman Devin Nunes has decided to "temporarily" step aside from his duties as committee chair in favor of Rep. Conaway, another Republican member of the committee. It seems Mr. Nunes will have to appear before a House Ethics Committee probe investigating his activities of releasing classified material while cheerleading for 45's effort to substantiate his false tweets about President Obama.

Nunes told Katie Tur of NBC News that his relinquishing of Chairman duties was hastened by attacks from far left Congressional groups dedicated to besmirching his good name. Nunes answered questions from Ms. Tur in the Capitol Building hallway, resplendent in his short skirt and tight sweater emblazoned with a gold "T" on the front. Waving his pom poms, Rep. Nunes performed several cartwheels and backflips while chanting, "Donald, Donald, he's our man! He tweets truth bigly, that's his plan! He tweets Obama had him tapped. He tweets the truth out as he craps! Yeahhhh...Trump!"

Edited by yadda yadda, 06 April 2017 - 12:10 PM.





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