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Posted 29 April 2017 - 06:10 PM

First I am going to catalogue and link the many related threads preceding this one.
I know this is a thread about POTUS, but I dug up an early 2013 thread on whether Hillary should run I’d though I’d start with. There are 44 threads in total linked below, if you want to skip past go to post 2 in the thread.

Hillary, should she? Posted 27 January 2013 Started by offworlder
http://www.exisle.ne...ary-should-she/

Election Primary Threads:

My Thoughts about Trump’s Campaign Posted 12 July 2015 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...rumps-campaign/
Street Harassment. Thread drift of topic: Political Correctness, good, bad, or other? Posted 09 August 2015 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...rrectness-good/
RE: Trump for POTUS Posted 04 September 2015 Started by Mooky
http://www.exisle.ne...rump-for-potus/
Trump: Ban all Muslims Posted 05 December 2015 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...an-all-muslims/
Trump May Win After All Posted 20 December 2015 Started by gsmonks
http://www.exisle.ne...-win-after-all/
SCOTUS Watch Posted 15 February 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...6-scotus-watch/
2016 Primaries and Political Debates Posted 16 February 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...itical-debates/
Donald Trump?? Posted 01 March 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...6-donald-trump/
Hillary Clinton?? Posted 03 March 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...illary-clinton/
What’s next for the GOP? Posted 07 March 2016 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...xt-for-the-gop/
Trump’s first Amendment right violated Posted 12 March 2016 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...right-violated/
Trump suggests defaulting on the national debt Posted 06 May 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...-national-debt/
Should lying to the public be illegal? Posted 06 July 2016 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...lic-be-illegal/
Food for thought Posted 26 July 2016 Started by QueenTiye
http://www.exisle.ne...od-for-thought/
Treason! Posted 27 July 2017 Started by QueenTiye
http://www.exisle.ne.../79586-treason/

The General Election Thread:

US Presidential General Election 2016 Posted 20 July 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...-election-2016/

Obama’s Lame Duck Period (Post Election/Pre-Inauguration) Threads:

President-elect [the post election thread] Posted 11 November 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...lection-thread/
How did the Democrats lose, and where do they go from here? [post elec Posted 12 November 2015 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...ction-thread-2/
And so it begins Posted 15 November 2016 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...d-so-it-begins/
The Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives Posted 27 November 2016 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...-conservatives/
One Seat to Rule Them All Posted 12 December 2016 Started by gsmonks
http://www.exisle.ne...-rule-them-all/
2017 Will Be The Year of the Stoopid. Posted 28 December 2016 Started by gsmonks
http://www.exisle.ne...of-the-stoopid/
Released Russian Hacking Report 07 January 2016 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...hacking-report/
Tinkle-Gate Posted 14 January 2016 Started by gsmonks
http://www.exisle.ne...98-tinkle-gate/


Other:

Britain Votes to leave EU Posted 24 June 2016 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...es-to-leave-eu/
Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) Posted 08 September 2016 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...-pipeline-dapl/

Post-Inauguration / First 100 Days Threads:

What are the Republicans up to now? Posted 16 November 2017 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...cans-up-to-now/
Resisting the 45th administration & Republican majorities Posted 07 January 2016 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...can-majorities/
POTUS 2017 - ? [the post inauguration thread] Posted 20 January 2017 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...uration-thread/
The Courts Vs. Muslim ban Posted 29 January 2017 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...-vs-muslim-ban/
The SCOTUS nominee: Neil Gorsuch Posted 31 January 2017 Started by sierraleone
http://www.exisle.ne...e-neil-gorsuch/
Repubs and Health Care Posted 06 February 2017 Started by Themis
http://www.exisle.ne...nd-health-care/
The Russian ties to 45’s administration and the FBI Posted 15 February 2016 Started by Cait
http://www.exisle.ne...on-and-the-fbi/
Obama spied on Trump Posted 05 March 2017 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...spied-on-trump/
How to get back to normal? Posted 05 March 2016 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...back-to-normal/
Health care, repleal/replacement Republican legislation Posted 09 March 2017 Started by yadda yadda
http://www.exisle.ne...an-legislation/
45-O-Meter Posted 17 March 2017 Started by Elara
http://www.exisle.ne...030-45-o-meter/
Intelligence Committees Hearings on Russian election interference Posted 20 March 2017 Started by yadda yadda
http://www.exisle.ne...tion-collusion/
U.S.A strikes Syrian Airbase Posted 07 April 2017 Started by Lord of the Sword
http://www.exisle.ne...syrian-airbase/
Bill O’Reilly Posted 20 April 2017 Started by yadda yadda
http://www.exisle.ne...8-bill-oreilly/

American Political System Threads:

Since when are primaries undemocratic? Posted 07 March 2016 Started by QueenTiye
http://www.exisle.ne...s-undemocratic/
The U.S. is a Democratic Republic Posted 17 March 2016 Started by QueenTiye
http://www.exisle.ne...ratic-republic/
Electoral College Thoughts Posted 07 December 2016 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...llege-thoughts/
Electoral Engineering Posted 04 January 2017 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...al-engineering/
I got published! Posted 27 January 2017 Started by Omega
http://www.exisle.ne...-got-published/

Edited by sierraleone, 30 April 2017 - 06:38 PM.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 06:16 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 25 April 2017 - 07:00 PM, said:


I just figure before that starts we need to start a fair thread giving the POTUS a fair shake as we reflect on his first 100 days, you know? 


I was actually thinking kind of solemnly when I said this. With deep shades of somber. At least on the reflect part. Reflection is one of the most important steps in understand, growth and change, and I thought we should start this thread with reflections, reflections on the Presidency and politics, on what else is happening in our country and the world, and self-reflections on what this has meant to us personally. Though this is not a prerequisite to participate of course, that is entirely up to each.

My Reflections on Trump:

I think Trump has done the best he can as President. That is not an endorsement, he is who he is. It seems to me that that is the criteria his base seems to be judging him by: who he is (or perceived to be), and what he stands for (or is perceived to). A kind of identity politics all its own. He seems to parallel how a nepotism hire gets treated. They see themselves in Trump, in part at least, and like hiring a relative, they forgive him his faults, even if those faults mean he can’t do his job.

Unfortunately who he is is entirely inadequate for the job, and we certainly can’t just give him slack just because of he aimed above his capabilities, and those who put him there saw themselves in him. Most people can’t do the Presidency justice, I want the leader of my country to be better than myself.

What Trump ran on is the perception that he is an outsider   non/anti-elite   rich   self-funding   non-entangled   drain-the-swamp   us-vs-them   expert-deal-maker   champion-of-the-people. Each one of those were spin that sold him just-well-enough to the electoral college, but which attributes (when trueish) did nothing to prepare Trump and his fellow charlatans for governing well.

Trump also happened to be a bully, and changed the politics dog-whistles of prejudice into a air horn, and that, he claimed, was because he wasn’t political correct, and he somehow got points for that for straight-talking or something. Despite the fact he can’t stay away from making falsehoods constantly.

Trump recently said that this is more work than his old life, and he thought being the President would be easier…. (than it is/turned out to be, or easier than his old life?)

Being born rich and being the head of a business your whole life…. People had to do what he said, as he (or his dad in earlier years) was their boss. And deal-making is different in the business world, where there is a profit motive which near all sides are motivated by. Yes, the head of a corporation has more power over getting their underlings to do their bidding, than Presidents have over the equal and separate branches of government with whom they needs to work with. Yes, the head of a corporation gets more co-operation from fellow profit-motivated people during deal-making than fellow politicians and groups whom’s motives may not be profit. And this is why thinking the government needs to work more like the business world is dangerous.

Usually new Presidents try to build or sustain a sense of unity during the beginning of their Presidency. Trump hasn’t, though it is not surprising considering his divisive campaign.

It seems fitting that on his 100th day in office there was another march today (regarding climate change), and, on this same day, he is holding a campaign rally, instead of attending the yearly White House Correspondence Dinner (WHCD). There is no sense of norms here what-so-ever. People marching against a President and his policies with regularity. Trump flouting Presidential norms/traditions (yes, the WHCD may not be an important one, but this is hardly the first). And Trump heading back to the stump for a campaign rally to stroke his fragile ego instead of attending to the responsibilities of governing.

With the current administration it is easy for lay-people to not be able to follow what is going on adequately, as too many stories feel urgent and awful. Either one missed important matters when following others, or one ignores it out of a feeling of helplessness and inability to effect change, whether accurate or not.

People talk most about the lack of successes of this administration. I don’t know if that is because it feeds into a narrative many people prefer, or the successes are more abstract and less drama-filled (and less likely to end up in our regularly digested news sources). By successes I don’t mean good things, just things that Trump has accomplished. I am not sure calling them accomplishments is even accurate…. USSC nominee Neil Gorsuch, while he will be a USSC Justice, and affect many future court decisions, Trump had a Republican senate to pass him, and even they had to break the old rule to get his passed. Does that difficultly make it more or less of a Trump and/or GOP accomplishment I suppose could be subject to debate. The vast majority of the other accomplishments are executive orders that turned over Obama’s executive orders. Trump didn’t need to work with the House or Senate, and they are subject to attack by either the courts, or the next President.

One thing that should worry everyone, is a President who says that he is not too worried about deficits that may result from his massive tax cuts (for the rich), when his businesses filed for bankruptcy at least 4 times. If his proposals are enacted if the U.S. averts disaster it will be a miracle.

Here is a TYT politics video on Trump’s first 100 days, and it has a few things in it that I didn’t know, which feels like it should be surprising considering I am following news regularly.

My Reflections on World News:

Between BREXIT last summer, and the French Presidential run-off election coming soon (May 7) between the far-right Le Pen, and another outsider Macron (though a centrist), it is clear that that this anti-elite, anti-globalist, sentiment runs global. I understand the sentiment as far as the fact that the global economy hasn’t work for regular people for decades, and politics have become almost completely corporatist, kow-towing to corporate interests (read: rich people’s interests) in near all mainstream political parties. However, those politicians exploit this anti-elite sentiment but heavily use xenophobic sentiments and divisive politics pitting the 99% against each other.

I mean, almost all tax reform talk is about the rich. So if tax reform=tax cuts, it almost always invariable benefits the rich while defunding the public purse for social programs for the middle and working class, as well as the vulnerable poor.

Then I look over at Trump making America’s relationship with their allies less firm, and making the relationship more precarious with their non-allies and their enemies. Is the U.S. ever going to be out of war? The military-industrial complex has too much clout, but this would be true no matter who became #45. Trump claimed to be non-interventionist, if there is ONE thing I hope remains true about him, it is that, at least as far as military intervention goes.

My Reflections on America:

I had shared some articles before that had purported that it would be a while before we saw support shift away from Trump. They claimed that there two main kinds of Trump voters, Nationalist with authoritarian tendencies (who will never give him up), and the Exasperated (who are in wait-and-see mode, as they are willing to give Trump time to bring about the economic changes they are hoping for). So it is not surprising that about 96%, IIRC, of Trump voters say they wouldn’t change their vote (plus, people don’t like to admit to being wrong). So it is way to early to speculate about that.

America in any case seems very divided. You see this in polling, especially when you compare how Republicans and Democrats feel on things that seem non-controversial or reality-based. I don’t know what can be done about it, but certainly Trump isn’t helping, in fact he is hurting it, so any effort towards uniting people across party lines will be very difficult while he is in office, at least on federal issue.

My heart soars when I see activists and people marching or working together on a common cause. To see the resist-Trump (and more specifically his polices) still going strong encourages me to no end. I was watching some coverage of the People’s Climate March today, reporting says there were about 15,000 people there. This is just a week (or two?) after the March for Science (with some overlapping themes considering Climate/Environmental sciences). I hope this energy can be maintained, and also understand that just because one doesn’t see or hear something doesn’t mean work isn’t being done.

I don’t think people can say with any certainly how the 2018 mid-term or the 2020 Federal elections will pan out. Recently there was a poll showing more people saying Democrats are out of touch with regular people than Republicans are. One thing seems clear to me, whoever is opposing Trump (and probably Republicans in general, at least in unsafe seats), need to stand for something, not against things. They need to have ideas to propose to follow through on what they stand for, something people can get behind. And please, gawd, not some party-insider old-guard politician. I don’t think the experience will play well next-time around either, other than party-line democratic voters. It just screams elite corportist shrill unless they have the ability to make a real connection with voters (similar to Biden).

I hope to heck that people are trying to pay as much attention to state/local politics as they are to national politics, but I know I am failing on that front too.

My Personal Reflections:

I have been watching this from north of the border. I hope that if I was down there I would be getting involved with activism, but I can’t say that for sure as I am not there. There can be many reasons people are involved in activitism, depending on what other demands or responsibilities they have to handle personally or professionally, so I don’t hold it against people that are not heavily involved.

Since I started following DAPL late last summer it has made me more conscious and conscientious of things. Things I have started or done more of starting last summer:

- Read more news (sometimes to my detriment ;) )
- Read more local/provincial/national news than before, in addition to American news (though not on par with American news sadly). I don’t think my international news consumption has gone up, it might have even gone down with other news taking up my time.
- Switched news sources
- Liked/followed the social-media page of a First-Nation reservation neighbouring my community to keep knowledgable of their happenings.
- Participated in a march for the first time.
- Signed petitions on provincial / national matters.
- Donated to causes I care about.
- Keep updating you guys on what’s going on with #45 ;)

It seems to me like there is a lot of hope and worry about at the same time.


Grading Trump’s First 100 days Using Trump-isms

Foreign PolicyTotal disaster
Overall Domestic PolicySad
The WallFake news
Legislative Agenda - Lightweight
Economy Weak
Jobs – Look at those hands, are they small hands? And, (Critics) referred to my hands: “If they are small, something else must be small.” I guarantee you there’s no problem, I guarantee.
USSC Nominee Neil GorsuchOverrated
JusticeOverrated BIGLY
Immigration Policy/Travel BanStupid
Health Care - Bad
Education Believe me
Tax Policy – The point is, you can never be too greedy.
Environmental PolicyI moved on her like a bitch.
News Media - And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
Women’s Rights - disgusting / got schlonged / wherever.
Minorities - The day I realized it can be smart to be shallow was, for me, a deep experience.
Cabinet/Administration - When Trump sends his people, he’s not sending the best. He’s not sending you, he’s sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with them. They’re bringing thugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.
Grassroots opposition: Winning


Thanks for anyone who found this a worthwhile enough read to read this far through ;) I’ll just leave this one last thing in this post. Trump had his final cabinet member confirmed this week. Here is our current Presidential line of succession:


1.   Vice President: Mike Pence ( R )
2.   Speaker of the House: Paul Ryan ( R )
3.   President pro tempore of the Senate: Orrin Hatch ( R )
4.   Secretary of State: Rex Tillerson ( R )
5.   Secretary of the Treasury: Steven Mnuchin ( R )
6.   Secretary of Defense: James Mattis ( I )
7.   Attorney General: Jeff Session ( R )
8.   Secretary of the Interior: Ryan Zinke ( R )
9.   Secretary of Agriculture: Sonny Perdue ( R ) (just confirmed / former Georgia Governor)
10.  Secretary of Commerce: Wilbur Ross ( R )
11. Secretary of Labour: Alex Acosta ( R )
12.  Secretary of Health and Human Services: Tom Price ( R )
13.  Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Ben Carson ( R )
---  Secretary of Transportation: Elaine Chao ( R )
14. Secretary of Energy: Rick Perry ( R )
15. Secretary of Energy: Rick Perry ( R )
16. Secretary of Veterans Affairs: David Shulkin ( I )
17. Secretary of Homeland Security: John F. Kelly ( I )

Edited by sierraleone, 30 April 2017 - 10:19 AM.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 06:35 PM

And your regularly scheduled WTFJHT - DAY 100! Perspective.

Activism: The People's Climate March draws thousands in D.C. And the EPA removed its climate science data website yesterday.
Proclamation: Trump proclaims that May 1st now "Loyalty Day". Not a day he started, and not the only President to honour it. It started during the first red scare, and recognize by Congress during the 2nd red scare.

There are also some 10 stories they have in there reflecting on the first 100 days in various ways (probably why they called this day Perspective), so dive in there if you want to read some. I am reading the New Yorker one first, don't know if/when I will get around to any others.
Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 07:38 PM

I'm going to pin this thread. It's a wonderful resource for other discussions.  Thank you for doing all this work sierraleone!

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.

Source:
http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html


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Posted 29 April 2017 - 08:46 PM

View PostCait, on 29 April 2017 - 07:38 PM, said:

I'm going to pin this thread. It's a wonderful resource for other discussions.  Thank you for doing all this work sierraleone!

I appreciate the appreciation :)

Not that I read those threads all the way through, but I browsed a couple of them, and it was largely a pleasant and/or wistful walk down memory lane. I originally planned to just do the longer threads, but there were a couple voices I miss and I wanted to share some of their threads too.
Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 29 April 2017 - 11:20 PM

I'm just hoping we don't need a post-apocalyptic thread. Not sure if all of you heard the fake news for today, 45's 100th day in office. But I heard that he, being the artful dealer that he is, has negotiated with the Chinese to acquire their famous Wall of China for one trillion dollars, to be containerized and shipped to Galveston and San Diego for immediate transplantation and re-installation along our southern border.

As a part of the deal China will begin sending 43 tons of Duncan Hines yellow cake mix (cut from school lunch programs by Betsy DeVos) to Pyongyang in place of the yellow cake uranium they've previously been receiving to put the kibosh on their nuclear program. And North Korea will have to pay the trillion bucks for the Wall instead of Mexico. Except for the Wall's additional $2 trillion shipping and handling costs, which come out of the added economic growth expected from 45's tax plan...or failing that out of Social Security and the sale of Yellowstone National Park and the Grand Canyon to fracking outfits.

Edited by yadda yadda, 29 April 2017 - 11:22 PM.


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 09:37 AM

I commend and thank sierraleone for her above introductory reflections upon and assessment of 45's first 100 days since his inauguration. It is both comprehensive and spot on. My own reflection and assessment of him without going into detail is fairly short and sweet. As President he has proven himself so far a complete fraud, an ignorant na´f and dupe prone to being manipulated and an unparalleled liar...an almost reflexive liar. In addition to being not quite sane, he is a singular danger to our nation in issues and affairs both foreign and domestic. He is an American embarrassment, a representative of the vilest traits our country has to offer, and is a stain upon our national character. He is essentially a dishonest cheat, a likely traitor or a vehicle of traitors, and dedicated only to promoting his own greedy acquisitiveness and constant narcissistic stroking of his own giant overblown ego.

Edited by yadda yadda, 30 April 2017 - 10:25 AM.


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 10:10 AM

^ Sometimes succinctness is absolutely the best :D I have a tendency to be long winded. It may be necessary for introducing complex and nuanced subjects, but I doubt there are many to whom this is a brand new subject :)

If I had to describe Trump in two words, it would be charlatan and bully. I just hope that we manage to keep these behaviours from being normalized and accepted. Luckily I don't think mocking this type of behaviour does that, though it may suggest such behaviours are not as dangerous or damaging as they are. I really enjoy watching the comedy act from the WHCD, and the Not the WHCD.

One thing I read about Donald Trump's character this week was the Politico article "The education of Donald Trump". The man they describe in there is the same man who campaigned. There is no frelling pivot. This is the man making decisions affecting the whole world, that is scary. The only thing that may save us is when he walks into the wall of his incompetence. And that is only on the domestic policy and looking the country as a whole, not on how many people will die if the ACA is repealed. Both foreign policy, and where his malice matches up with the GOP (i.e. helping the rich) is where there is real cause for concern. The man is simply unqualified to be President, and  his staff is largely unqualified for their jobs too.
Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 12:13 PM

I just got finished suffering through the "Face The Nation" interview of 45 and as expected witnessed a repeat of the same schtick he overwhelmed and bamboozled network and cable interviewers with during the campaign. Loudly and imperiously talking over the interviewer ( excuse me!, excuse me!) 45 dodged or deflected every potentially revelatory question with blatant lies, self-puffery, and old tried and false memes about John Podesta and HRC when put on the spot about his Russian collusion.

Afterward it was a surreal but sadly repetitive tableau listening to the CBS pundits dissect and examine the president's interview with grave and thoughtful demeanor. Yes there were a few remarks about how trying to get an answer from him is like trying to nail Jello to the wall but mostly these journalistic experts treated the lies and bullspit they'd just heard as serious statements of presidential policy, worthy of deep consideration and pontification. I could easily imagine these pundits soberly discussing the import and ramifications of a toddler 45 pulling off his diaper and using the contents for wall art, with these learned folks interpreting the swirls and muddy hand prints for insight into Diaper Don's inner thoughts and rhetorical flourishes. These people are so eager, no, so DESPERATE to normalize the actions and false ramblings of this buffoon in order to normalize and keep their own apple cart upright. It's a symbiosis, like remoras shadowing a shark intent on shredding our democratic institutions.

Edited by yadda yadda, 30 April 2017 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 04:28 PM

The president had this to tell us all about American history in an interview today. "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? The Comma-in-Chief went on to add, "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

It is dumbfounding to think that no one has asked that question until now. This president has the unique level of perspicacity required to even think of such an area of inquiry. Perhaps now scholars and historians will take heed of 45's clarity of vision and somebody/ anybody will bother to investigate the causes of why this War Between The States ever even happened. Could it have been because of President Lincoln's intemperate tweets about the overly sweet taste of mint juleps? Maybe from economic pressures and political friction as the North's introduction of Qiana and BanLon polyester double knit fabrics depressed the cotton industry? Did the North run up the score too badly in 1860's annual Blue-Gray college football all-star game and cause the rift? Perhaps after the leader of the free subordinate clause reads up on some previously undiscovered diaries and government files he can offer some ideas about what might have been possible reasons for this mysteriously puzzling ages old conflict.

But 45 did offer his insight on Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson's view on the Civil War. Our Historian-Perfesser-in-Chief revealed that Andy Jackson was "really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War". And that would have truly required some remarkable acuity of foresight or even prescience insofar as Jackson died in 1845 and the Civil War didn't begin till 1861. But then being a slaveholder and genocidal murderer, had Andy Jackson lived it IS possible he could've avoided the Civil War by winning a third term and just signing an Executive Order proclaiming slavery as law of the land in the North as well. It's easy to see why 45 identifies with the 20 dollar bill guy so closely.

In other news the president today declared that he would be honored to meet with Kim Jong-Un and described the North Korean despot as a "smart cookie". Sean Spicer echoed these words of praise today but offered no comment on whether the president also seconds the emotion that Kim Jong-Un is a real tough cookie with a long history, of stifling opposition like I wish was me. It is unknown at this time but negotiations may be being hammered out that if 45 agrees to kiss Jong-un's a$$ in a public square in Pyongyang that un might agree to deactivate one out of his stockpile of nukes. Seeing as how it was "major, major conflict" just the other day to Jong-un being a smart cookie he'd be honored to meet with one is left to wonder if 45 determines that day's foreign policy by picking daisy petals and humming " he loves me, he loves me not".


ETA: ( 45 tweeted out after this posting that " President Andrew Jackson, who died 16 years before the Civil War started, saw it coming and was angry. Would never had let it happen!"

Other things that Andrew Jackson knew and was angry about on his deathbed, according to notations in his family Bible were...Indian casinos. After all the trouble he went to to exterminate and move along the Cherokee, Choctaw, Seminoles, and other Native American tribes who were living on top of where white folks wanted to dig gold mines...and now they've got gaming centers that are in and of themselves gold mines? Of all the tarnation!

Ben Franklin getting to be on the $100 dollar bill while Old Hickory gets stuck on the crummy twenty that gets handled, crumpled, and sweated on more due to its lowly status, and not even considered valuable enough for rappers to snort their coke with, old electric kite flying Benji getting that nod of honor.

Michael Jackson becoming the King of Pop, a black man getting more fame and cred out of the surname Jackson just by moonwalking than him, the 7th President of the United States. Even Tito and Jermaine got more pub and chicks. Sad!

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:13 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 01 May 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

The president had this to tell us all about American history in an interview today. "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? The Comma-in-Chief went on to add, "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

I can't tell reality from satire anymore…. Betting on ignorance with Donald Trump is always a good bet, though if satirists decide to use that in their work I may be screwed. Hopefully they will only use their powers for good ;)

Reading WTFJHT - it supports the at the above is not satire.

No WTFJHT Day 101, though they have some weekend items at the bottom of day 102.

WTFJHD - Day 102: Bizarre.

- Gov't Funding Bill: Deal struck - to be voted on later this week - on funding the federal government through the end of Sep. Billions added for the Pentagon, and border security, but not a border wall.
- Healthcare repeal: POTUS doesn't know what is in his healthcare repeal of course, in fact he thinks what is in it is the opposite of what is actually in it.
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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:33 PM

View Postyadda yadda, on 01 May 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

The president had this to tell us all about American history in an interview today. "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? The Comma-in-Chief went on to add, "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

We know that to his base's nationalists' answers to this is state rights, and only states rights, right?
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Rule#6: Remember the future.
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Posted 01 May 2017 - 06:05 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 01 May 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

View Postyadda yadda, on 01 May 2017 - 04:28 PM, said:

The president had this to tell us all about American history in an interview today. "People don't realize, you know, the Civil War, if you think about it, why? The Comma-in-Chief went on to add, "People don't ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out?"

We know that to his base's nationalists' answers to this is state rights, and only states rights, right?

I don't know sierraleone. I suppose it could be. I've had "debates" with Confederate flag advocates online who all swear that slavery and its expansion had nothing to do with causing the Civil War. And that displaying the stars and bars is simply showing pride in their "southern heritage", no implications of racism or white superiority. I suppose that 45 could be as clueless as these simple yahoos, or simply playing on their simpleness.

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 01:22 AM

45 invited Phillipines Dictator/Murderer Duterte over for a nice White House dinner next time he happens to swing by Washington DC. Part of his justification for honoring this guy so is because he has good approval ratings over there. So I don't see what the hang up is for him in not arranging a dinner date with his similarly honored fellow leader of North Korea. Even if they have to hold it in Beijing or Dubai or Hanoi. Kim Jong-un is even more revered in the popular approval of his people than Duterte, and has killed way more dissidents and innocents than that worthy thug.

Obama blew off a visit to the Phillipines a year or so on his Asian trip because he obviously didn't respect and appreciate Duterte's brutishness like 45 does. Maybe it's time to pay a visit to Manila and arrange for smart cookie Kim Jong-un to join them for a meal, with Mar-a-Lago chocolate cake flown in to seal any deals. And if 45 can't find anyone to launch Tomahawks at for after dinner entertainment he could always have Jared whip out a Ouija board and summon Saddam Hussein, Muammar Gaddaffi, Josef Stalin, Idi Amin, and Mao Tse Tung for coffee and conversation. After all, those fellows all had great approval ratings too!

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 12:06 PM

We all have our ways of coping with the 45 occupation. My own particular method is attempting to face it with humor, satire, and mockery, to mask and avoid the horrible danger he represents to our way of life. I have considered him incompetent to hold public office since he announced his candidacy, and he has proven me right more times than can be listed.

But after watching the Morning Joe MSNBC program today I am left wondering if I have, or most of us have, become like the proverbial frog in the pot of water that is slowly being incrementally raised in temperature until the unwitting frog is boiled without even realizing it. Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski posited this morning that 45's disjointed bizarre ramblings in the past 48 hours of interviews show that he is somehow off kilter mentally, not functioning at a basic adult level of mental competency. I have long considered 45 not fully sane, certainly incompetent to be president by virtue of his volatile erratic temperament, flat out ignorance and lack of curiosity and being divorced of contact to the world of reality. But have 100+ days of pressure and repeated failure pushed this narcissist over the edge of objective minimal competency?

Is he now at a new disqualifying level of mental incompetence? Should Pence and 45's Cabinet ( if they were inclined and capable) vote to replace him as being considered unable to perform the duties of his office? Especially under the circumstance of quasi-wartime status with a nuclear armed adversary in North Korea?

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 04:04 PM

^ I think one issue, besides party before country, is that they don't want to do it because it looks bad….
1) He was democratically elected (by the electoral college, but elected none-the-less).
2) Everyone knew who he was before the election, there was no bait and switch.

So, supposedly, the electoral college knew what he was, and voted for him anyways. And considering he still has some 95% of his support, that doesn't seem like a widely-off assertion.

So, if the American electorate is going to vote for a dangerous charlatan, who's right is it to tell them no? They can say they are doing it for the good of America, but one point of view is that that is awfully patronizing a decision, telling nearly half of adults voters what is good for them. They knew. It makes is so much worse in my mind, but they know who Trump is as much as the rest of us, they just don't have a problem with it.
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Posted 02 May 2017 - 04:14 PM

WTFJHD - Day 103: Floundering.

- Health care repeal: House Republicans floundering on Obamacare/ACA repeal as 20 Republicans have now opposed the bill. 2 more firm No's and the newest attempt to repeal the ACA is dead in the water.
- Family Planning/Title X program: Trump has put an anti-abortion activist, Teresa Manning, to head to the HHS Title X program which provides family planning for Americans who are poor and/or without health insurance. She was quoted in 2003 as saying birth control doesn't work… So what is her program's family planning advice going to be?
- Environment: NYT article "23 Environmental Rules Rolled Back in Trump's First 100 Days."
- Jared Kushner: More conflicts of interest unveiled, this ones not provided on his government financial disclosure forms.
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Posted 02 May 2017 - 04:51 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 02 May 2017 - 04:04 PM, said:

^ I think one issue, besides party before country, is that they don't want to do it because it looks badů.
1) He was democratically elected (by the electoral college, but elected none-the-less).
2) Everyone knew who he was before the election, there was no bait and switch.

So, supposedly, the electoral college knew what he was, and voted for him anyways. And considering he still has some 95% of his support, that doesn't seem like a widely-off assertion.

So, if the American electorate is going to vote for a dangerous charlatan, who's right is it to tell them no? They can say they are doing it for the good of America, but one point of view is that that is awfully patronizing a decision, telling nearly half of adults voters what is good for them. They knew. It makes is so much worse in my mind, but they know who Trump is as much as the rest of us, they just don't have a problem with it.

Sure, I can see the partisan reasons for not pulling his ejector seat lever. But as to who's right is it to tell the American electorate that their choice has got to go, it falls under the 25th Amendment to a majority of members of the president's  Cabinet and the VP, or a majority of Congress to inform the President Pro Tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House that the President is unfit/unable to continue in office and the Vice President assumes the duty of President.

Just because 45 has been an erratic freak show since his inauguration doesn't mean his competency becomes gauged by freak show standards. It's bad enough when he shows signs of paranoia against the press and any opposition and schizoid decision making by changing his mind completely every few hours on crucial policies and international relationships. But when does erratic eccentricity become the bus to Crazytown? What if he starts running through the Rose Garden in a Scream mask firing a pistol into the air and stopping every couple minutes to drop his pants and defecate? Or maybe he's not wearing pants at all. Would that be over the line or just another case of 45 being 45? Hey, the people elected him...what can you do? Just because he's got everybody used to watching his clown show...how do you tell when Bozo is truly, dangerously, nuts?

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Posted 02 May 2017 - 05:40 PM

I am just saying we haven't seen new behaviour out of him. The GOP could have said he had to run as an independent, and that almost certainly would have meant he would lose.

He admired dictators before the election. He was ignorant and not even curious before the election. He was a charlatan (Trump University), a swindler (cheating contractors and trades people out of their money), incompetence/a bad business man (4 business bankruptcy), got a free start in life (inheritance, which if he invested it all would have out performed his business), no public service experience, and is a bully. Is there really anything we have learned in the last 100 days new about him?
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Rule#6: Remember the future.
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Posted 02 May 2017 - 06:55 PM

View Postsierraleone, on 02 May 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

I am just saying we haven't seen new behaviour out of him. The GOP could have said he had to run as an independent, and that almost certainly would have meant he would lose.

He admired dictators before the election. He was ignorant and not even curious before the election. He was a charlatan (Trump University), a swindler (cheating contractors and trades people out of their money), incompetence/a bad business man (4 business bankruptcy), got a free start in life (inheritance, which if he invested it all would have out performed his business), no public service experience, and is a bully. Is there really anything we have learned in the last 100 days new about him?

In the past 2 or 3 days he has exhibited very strange behavior, demeanor, and a sort of exaggerated level of cognitive dissonance, even by his usual standards. There are those observing him that think he may be hampered or disconnected mentally, even more so than his usual everyday level of contrary eccentricity. I watched a couple of his interviews and read even more of the transcripts of his speaking. I don't know if you did but listening to him was unsettling, like listening to a 5 year old pout. I'm not really comfortable with a five year old mentality in charge of the nuclear arsenal. I'm just suggesting that this 100 day plateau, with its attendant pressures and daily reminders in 45's face of his continuing failures might be pushing him out onto the crumbling ledge of functional sanity.

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