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#381 sierraleone

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 04:41 PM

^ if Kavanaugh gets confirmed, but Democrats win the House in November, maybe we can hope for 2 impeachment hearings in the House before 2020....
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#382 sierraleone

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Posted 07 November 2018 - 09:51 PM

Trump forced AG Sessions to resign, and instead of replacing the AG with the Deputy AG (as is typical/traditional/normal) Trump is, in an unpresidented move, elevating the former AG's chief of staff. This man, Matthew Whitaker, has shown himself to be a lackey of Trump, more publicly in an opinion column about a year ago where he made prejudged that Trump Jr meeting with Russia to get some foreign meddling in U.S. elections,  that it was completely fine, and anyone would do it. He also made other comments on how a AG or DAG could hamper the Mueller Trump-Russia probe.... He was basically an unknown before that, and shortly after that he was made AG Sessions' chief of staff.

So some already say his comments create an actual or appearance of a conflict of interest and he should probably recuse himself.

FYI - Apparently the groups that have protests set up to activate if Rod Rosenstein (and/or Sessions?) is fired are going forward. Basically, since Sessions was recused, this new AG can over supervision of the Mueller Trump-Russia probe away from Rosenstein, or worse.

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BREAKING: The Nobody Is Above the Law network is calling for rapid-response protests at 5 PM local time on Thu, Nov 8 in response to Trump's moving oversight of the Mueller investigation in the hands of a lackey who has publicly strategized about how to stifle the investigation.

I think they are supposed to number 400,000 in 900 protests across the U.S.
We'll see how big they are tomorrow, assuming they get coverage.

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Find info about your local protest, 5pm tomorrow, at this link: http://www.trumpisnotabovethelaw.org

Edited by sierraleone, 08 November 2018 - 06:07 PM.

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#383 gsmonks

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Posted 30 November 2018 - 04:09 PM

The state of the present GOP stands as a lesson for the types of abuses non-secular thinking affords: belief is the committing of intellectual suicide. Once you've left the door open for the bearded old man in the sky, other garbage comes flowing in. Like Trump, and Mitch McConnell, and all the evil they not only perpetrate, but facilitate.

Hanging on to power for the sake of hanging on to power led McConnell to quashing measures to protect Mueller's investigation.

Such corrupt-mindedness should not go unpunished.
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#384 sierraleone

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 06:03 PM

The last few weeks have a chock-full of evidence of malfeasance, if not conspiracy, of Trump's closest associates during the campaign, transition, and early Presidency. Trump himself is implicated in some places, where Trump is referred to as "Individual 1" in his ex-lawyer Micheal Cohen's court case documents.

It also appears likely Manafort thought he could weasel his way out of his charges and play both sides. No clear evidence yet, but it does seem that he may have been trying to string Mueller along and been reporting back to Trump the progress Mueller has made that Manafort has gleaned from his interactions with Mueller's team.

All the conspiracies that Mike Flynn was "set up" by the FBI vanished in smoke in the court room this week, as the Judge that Faux News though would stripe the hide off the the Prosecution for prosecutory misconduct (something the Judge is know for) striped the hide off of Mike Flynn and his defense team, and instead of being sentenced his defense team took the offer from the Judge for a 3 month continuance to see if they could cooperate more and avoid the Judge's wrath.

It seems like many of Trump associates lied to Congress, something Micheal Cohen has been charged with. It seems likely Mueller is going to get all those sealed and locked transcripts showing those lies.


We have all likely become inured to it to various degrees unfortunately. The levels of cognitive dissonance or compartmentalization of Trump supporters' mind must be astronomical.... Though I imagine many of them have simply tuned out the news. Even the non-Trumpist right, and the left, are probably largely worn down by this constant stream of misconduct coming out, and in most cases just supports Occam's razor. While there are new revelations all the time, who didn't think, from the time it came out 11+ months ago, that Trump was in favour and authorized the payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal?


And now, the last "adult in the room" (the other two being, pphhhttt, John Kelly former Chief of Staff, and Rex Tillerson former Secretary of State).... Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is out, end of February. It appears he resigned and the straw that broke that camel back (its long been rumoured he has only stayed in to provide stability) is the pull-out-of-Syria-policy-by-tweet of Trump. Abandoning our Kurd allies, but, you know, it was probably on Putin's honey-do list....

Edited by sierraleone, 20 December 2018 - 06:18 PM.

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Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
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#385 sierraleone

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Posted 25 March 2019 - 04:46 PM

I have been stuck in chaos for the last week, so barely have been able to do more than read the headlines.

It looks like Mueller released his report, and a summary of prosecutorial decisions, to his bosses, and his boss, the brand-new-one-month-old AG Barr is misrepresenting them in his public summary of the latter.

Seth Abramson breaks it down on twitter here:
https://twitter.com/...266463506567168

Seems like Mueller framed his report, and not making a prosecutorial decision on Trump campaign Russia-coordination, as Mueller likely wanting Congress to take up assessing the President's behavior and actions. And AG Barr politically interfered with that decision. I suspect (or hope) that Mueller knew that this would happen, and basically expects that Congress will bring him to testify before them to help expose the truth.

Edited by sierraleone, 25 March 2019 - 04:55 PM.

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#386 gsmonks

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Posted 26 March 2019 - 02:38 PM

Twunk is still under investigation, despite what the GOP trolls are claiming. The information Mueller put out there could still be used to take Twunk down.
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#387 sierraleone

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Posted 19 April 2019 - 09:01 AM

So the Mueller investigation is out, with some heavy redactions in some of the sections regarding possible Russian Conspiracy. The possible obstruction section was largely already public information.

Someone responded to a Ben Shapiro tweet in my feed (god no, I do not follow Shapiro), showing his generous take on the Mueller report.

https://twitter.com/...918343837114368

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My one-line takeaway: Trump and his campaign engaged in deeply embarrassing and immoral but non-criminal behavior. In attempting to avoid that embarrassment, Trump engaged in more deeply embarrassing and immoral but ultimately non-criminal behavior.


Every Trump scandal follows this pattern. It holds just as true for Stormy Daniels as it does for Russia and obstruction. Do something bad and embarrassing, then shield yourself with other bad and embarrassing behavior.

However, even taking this most charitable of generous takes at face value....

That means Trump and many of his associates are national security risks because of the amount of "embarrassing and immoral [] behavior" that the Russians (and others) knew of and could use that to compromise them, to further Russian (or others) interests.

Trump and many of his associates are compromised national security risks. That is the most generous benevolent reading one can take from the Mueller report.

As I understand it the report still describes impeachable offenses. As for criminal offenses, co-ordination and conspiracy and obstruction, Mueller showed much evidence, but wrote that several things were barriers to bringing charges. This includes evidence being knowingly suppressed thru various means (5th amendment invoked, info screened even from Special Counsel, lying and omissions, evidence deleted, data encryption. This also includes legalities/norms, such as that the DOJ Office of Legal Counsel's guidelines/regulations that prevent indicting a sitting President.

If Trump and his associates failed to co-ordinate and conspire it certainly wasn't for lack of trying....

It also appears Mueller was looking at a very narrow scope (specifically the possibility that Trump and his campaigns coordinated and conspired with Russia to affect the outcome of the election, and possible obstruction), and related matters that don't fit that narrow parameters were given to other Prosecutors to pursue. Remembers there is some 15 odd criminal referrals to various U.S. Attorney's Offices out there that have or could go forward.

If the Democrats have any wits and backbone about them this is just the beginning.

Oh, and the U.S. AG Barr is a partisan hack.

Edited by sierraleone, 19 April 2019 - 09:02 AM.

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Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

#388 Virgil Vox

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Posted 22 April 2019 - 04:04 PM

Yeah, the Mueller report wasn't the complete exoneration for Trump and his campaign that they originally said it was.

I do believe that Barr has spun it to make it sound less damning than it actually is, especially with that press conference.

From what I've read it sounds like it was ineptitude that kept the Trump campaign from working with the Russians more. They were definitely receptive to the idea of getting aid from a hostile foreign government.

It seems like Mueller didn't go after the Trump Tower meeting not because it was illegal but because they couldn't prove that the participants were aware that they were doing something illegal.

Trump's attempts at obstruction were illegal but mainly failed because those around him refused to carry out his orders. This should scare everyone. Trump has no problem abusing his power and now the ones who actually said no to him are gone.

No surprise that Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied to the press. She always has. She is trying to spin it now but she straight up lied and said she talked to FBI agents when she never did.

Let's hope we get a good candidate that can defeat Trump in 2020. I don't think the country could survive 4 more years of this corrupt administration.
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#389 gsmonks

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Posted 23 April 2019 - 03:40 PM

The Dems are starting to talk impeachment again. Hopefully they'll grow a pair and take Twunkle down.
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