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#1 Virgil Vox

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 08:34 AM

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Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) challenges Rhea (guest star Teri Hatcher) to battle to save National City. Meanwhile, Superman (guest star Tyler Hoechlin) returns and Cat Grant (guest star Calista Flockhart) offers Supergirl some sage advice.


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 10:12 AM

I don't watch this show, but awesome episode title.

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Posted 22 May 2017 - 04:44 PM

I love the title too!  Perfect reference!  :D

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 12:58 AM

IIRC in the comics Supergirl is stronger than Superman, so I guess the show is following in that. Plus, the show is called Supergirl, having Superman beat her would be a slight on the main character. ;)

But what a awesome fight it was, it also served to explain why Rhea didn't use the same thing on Kara...It wouldn't have worked. Because at that moment, Kara's greatest fear, or enemy, was Rhea. And speaking of General Zod...Nice that we finally got to see him.

No news reporting the battle between Superman and Supergirl? There were clearly people around during that battle, fairly sure one or two would've tried to record something like that? Then again, they might've been a tad bit busy being rounded up by the Daxamites. ;)

Not sure how I feel about their solution to the problem being chemical warfare. It also does nothing to stop the Daxamites from firing on Earth from space. Also, if Aliens and their technology have been on Earth for this long, why hasn't the military adapted at least a little of that technology? I mean those fighter jets escorting Airforce One were just normal jets, not special weapons or armor. You would think the military would definitely be adapting alien tech to protect the country and the world?

Still, the solution wasn't totally without consequences...Kara lost her love. Man that was brutal. And Superman saying he wasn't sure if he could've done that to Lois. Which I found very ironic, since last week was the release of Injustice 2.

As for Cat Grant, are they bringing her back full time next season? Because she was remodeling the office as if she was returning full time. And that line at the end, "Go get them, Supergirl." shows she KNOWS Kara is Supergirl. That could be very interesting. I'm also wondering now if she knows Clark is Superman. Speaking of which, her "Clark bar" line...LMAO Priceless!

As for the ending...I'm not up on my Kryptonian House symbols. Who, or what, was in that 3rd ship? Given the way the people around it were referring to "It", and not using gender specific identifiers like "He" or "she", I'm thinking along the lines of Brainiac...but not positive.
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#5 Virgil Vox

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Posted 23 May 2017 - 11:27 AM

What an amazing finale! It was a lot better than the first season finale.

They really blew the budget on this episode, didn't they? There was that amazing Supergirl vs. Superman fight, the Supergirl vs. Rhea fight, the Daxamites destroying the city, Superman, J'Onn, Mon-El, Miss Martian, and several white Martians battling the Daxamites, etc. It was simply stunning. I was on the edge of my seat. I'm pretty sure I cheered when Miss Martian and the Martian cavalry arrived.

I loved the use of Silver Kryptonite to explain why Superman was attacking Supergirl. It also explained his absence when the Daxamites first showed up. He did fly immediately there to confront Rhea but she whammied him.

Once again, Jimmy is underused. Hopefully next season the writers find a way to use him better or just drop his character.

Lillian and Lena actually have an honest conversation for once. Color me impressed. Looks like Cadmus will continue to be a threat next season, and now with them claiming to have beat the Daxamites they will have more people on their side.

Loved Cat's reaction to seeing Clark again. Woman has got it bad. Oh, and Winn's reaction to Superman was priceless, with him whispering, "I love you" once Superman turned away. Win would totally go gay for Superman.

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Not sure how I feel about their solution to the problem being chemical warfare. It also does nothing to stop the Daxamites from firing on Earth from space. Also, if Aliens and their technology have been on Earth for this long, why hasn't the military adapted at least a little of that technology? I mean those fighter jets escorting Airforce One were just normal jets, not special weapons or armor. You would think the military would definitely be adapting alien tech to protect the country and the world?

Yeah, chemical warfare is an extreme reaction but I think it showed just how bad the situation was that the character embraced it as quickly as they did. If Supergirl lost, they would have no way of stopping the Daxamites. Even with all the heroes and the Martians helping in the fight, the Daxamites were still winning.

We did see the military use advanced tech a little bit last season, with the Red Tornado being one of them. Plus, the DEO has used advanced technology. I wouldn't be surprised if this invasion prompts the DEO to step out of the shadows.

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Still, the solution wasn't totally without consequences...Kara lost her love. Man that was brutal.

Yes it was. I love Mon-El and seeing him having to flee and lose Kara right after they finally started dating was tough. I really hope he is back full time next season. He brought a whole new energy to the show. My guess is that the portal that opened up took him to the 31st century where he will join the Legion and that he will come back as a full fledged hero next season and immune to lead poisoning thanks to Legion science. That's what I want to see happen anyways.

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As for Cat Grant, are they bringing her back full time next season? Because she was remodeling the office as if she was returning full time. And that line at the end, "Go get them, Supergirl." shows she KNOWS Kara is Supergirl. That could be very interesting. I'm also wondering now if she knows Clark is Superman. Speaking of which, her "Clark bar" line...LMAO Priceless!

These two episodes really do show just how much better the show is with Cat. Hopefully they can use her in more episodes next season.

I loved that she revealed she knew Supergirl's secret. It just makes sense, especially after she discovered it last season. Not sure if she knows Clark is Superman. It is possible.

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As for the ending...I'm not up on my Kryptonian House symbols. Who, or what, was in that 3rd ship? Given the way the people around it were referring to "It", and not using gender specific identifiers like "He" or "she", I'm thinking along the lines of Brainiac...but not positive.

I'm not sure. I don't recognize the symbol. I thought it could possibly be Doomsday. Another guess I've seen is that it might be Reign, a Supergirl villain introduced early in the new 52. She is a Worldkiller, a sentient weapon of mass destruction created by Kryptonians. There are other Worldkillers as well. I think she's a possible fit since so far Supergirl has done more female big bads than male.
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Posted 23 May 2017 - 10:58 PM

View PostVirgil Vox, on 23 May 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

I loved the use of Silver Kryptonite to explain why Superman was attacking Supergirl. It also explained his absence when the Daxamites first showed up. He did fly immediately there to confront Rhea but she whammied him.

But how does it work? Does the silver-kryptonian poisoner somehow decide/impose who the poisoned person sees as their enemy? Because if that is the case, then Rhea could have used it on Supergirl and made Supergirl see someone else as Rhea. Even best case scenario there Supergirl would have thought she was seeing two Rheas. I mean, there has got to be some way to direct it, as there is no way Supergirl was the first person Superman saw after getting hit with the stuff.

View PostVirgil Vox, on 23 May 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

Loved Cat's reaction to seeing Clark again. Woman has got it bad. Oh, and Winn's reaction to Superman was priceless, with him whispering, "I love you" once Superman turned away. Win would totally go gay for Superman.

*laughs*

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View PostLord of the Sword, on 23 May 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

Not sure how I feel about their solution to the problem being chemical warfare. It also does nothing to stop the Daxamites from firing on Earth from space. Also, if Aliens and their technology have been on Earth for this long, why hasn't the military adapted at least a little of that technology? I mean those fighter jets escorting Airforce One were just normal jets, not special weapons or armor. You would think the military would definitely be adapting alien tech to protect the country and the world?

Yeah, chemical warfare is an extreme reaction but I think it showed just how bad the situation was that the character embraced it as quickly as they did. If Supergirl lost, they would have no way of stopping the Daxamites. Even with all the heroes and the Martians helping in the fight, the Daxamites were still winning.

Yeah, that made like no sense. Lead? Safe levels for humans? Um? No safe blood level has been determined in human children. And one can get lead poisoning from more than just contaminated water, you can get it from breathing (such as leaded oil, or lead in dust), food or consumer products. I know it is just a TV show, I just wished they used something besides lead so I don't want to throw my remote at the TV. Expect more related human health issues and human crime next season ;) Probably be all off-screen, but it is in my brain-cannon now, and nothing they can do to stop it :D


View PostLord of the Sword, on 23 May 2017 - 12:58 AM, said:

As for Cat Grant, are they bringing her back full time next season? Because she was remodeling the office as if she was returning full time. And that line at the end, "Go get them, Supergirl." shows she KNOWS Kara is Supergirl. That could be very interesting. I'm also wondering now if she knows Clark is Superman. Speaking of which, her "Clark bar" line...LMAO Priceless!

Well, you know Cat Grant would totally reclaim the space even if she was just back for 2 weeks :D

View PostVirgil Vox, on 23 May 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

These two episodes really do show just how much better the show is with Cat. Hopefully they can use her in more episodes next season.

I loved that she revealed she knew Supergirl's secret. It just makes sense, especially after she discovered it last season. Not sure if she knows Clark is Superman. It is possible.

I'd be surprised if she didn't put it together. She knows Kara presents Clark as her cousin, so that means either adopted, or in fact. And consider Clark is friends with Kara's parents (there is no actual familial relationship between Clark's adopted-parents and Kara's, is there?).

Not too hard to go from knowing Kara is Supergirl, to sleuthing out that her presented cousin isn't by various Earth standards her cousin, to speculating he may actual be a real Kryptonian cousin of hers, to figuring out he is Superman. Is it? ;) At least for a journalist, I would think the first step, scrutinizing her documented familial relationships would be not that difficult of a step to take.

Is it know that Supergirl and Superman are cousins too, or are they just thought to be two random Kryptonians who have ended up not the same planet?

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 05:50 PM

View PostVirgil Vox, on 23 May 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:


They really blew the budget on this episode, didn't they?

I was thinking that all during the episode!  

I don't notice the details as much as you guys - didn't even notice a third ship -  and am definitely not up on the comics.  When Mon-El first appeared in the comics and was revealed to be affected by lead, was that before or after the world started being aware of the damage of lead based paint?  Seems like it was used because it was a common earth element found in many everyday things and they needed him to be vulnerable to something.  In my comic era, somehow he got to the future and was cured by Brainiac 5.  I guess they could have changed from lead to something else for TV but chose to stick with the comic lore??

Anyway, awesome finale.  The Wonder Woman ad with all the boots was cool too.
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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:23 PM

As I understand it, Mon-El was stuck in the Phantom Zone by Superboy(?) for the duration as an emergency measure.  It was only in the 30th century that he could get out, thanks to Saturn Girl, and Brainiac could find the solution.

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As I understand it, Mon-El was stuck in the Phantom Zone by Superboy(?) for the duration as an emergency measure.  It was only in the 30th century that he could get out, thanks to Saturn Girl, and Brainiac could find the solution.

If you're talking about the 90s story arc, then you are correct. Basically, Mon-El (going by Valor then I believe) had arrived in the past and had amnesia and was tricked into fighting Superboy. The two eventually realized what was going on and the Kid had Valor placed into the Phantom Zone to stave off the lead poisoning. Unfortunately the PZ projector broke after that, and Superboy had no way of knowing if Valor survived. A few issues later the Legion arrive and whisk Superboy off to the future to use his knowledge of the machine to re-create it, get Valor out of the Phantom Zone, and cure him.
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Posted 25 May 2017 - 06:11 PM

I believe the vulnerability to lead goes back to the 60s, as an inversion of Superman's Kryptonite radiation weakness. Mon-El was placed in the Phantom Zone to save his life and would occasionally come out for minutes at a time to perform some special task.  Assuming my 50-year-old memories are correct.
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