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Is 45 just a Russian stooge...or is he owned?


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#1 yadda yadda

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:38 AM

There's a lot of circumstantial evidence out there to indicate that the current POTUS may be under the yoke of Russian suggestion or perhaps his behavior controlled by some blackmail or undue influence that Putin and his intelligence services have surreptitiously established over him. There have been a number of instances where 45 has gone out of his way to praise Russia or its dictator Putin. Conversely he has defended Putin and Russia when confronted with their anti-democratic, anti-American, and anti-American ally activities, up to pooh-poohing the reality that Putin is a brutal murderous thug, excusing that away by suggesting we in America are pretty much as bad.

There are the alarming number of instances of previously undisclosed 45 campaign contacts with agents of Russia, both government officials and spies as well as private Russian nationals with shady Kremlin ties. Why is this? What can explain this? It is currently being thoroughly investigated so hopefully the reasons for this sort of intercourse will come to light of day. 45's closest campaign advisors, Manafort and Flynn, have the stink of Russian influence all over them and I'm sure FBI investigation into those financial ties and payoffs in presidential influence will eventually bear a politically sour fruit as well. Looking into Manafort's role in changing RNC platform policy on arming Ukraine at the behest of his Russian controls should crack the lid on that can of worms.

But why is 45 so in love with Putin? Yes, 45 seems to gravitate to dictator types, gushes endlessly and enviously about autocrats who deprive their citizenry of civil rights and perpetrate murderous policies to hold onto absolute power. It is sickening to watch 45 suck up to and compliment petty thug dictators like Duterte, the Saudi King, Erdogan, el-Sisi, Kim Yong-un, and former all-star past dictator criminals since overthrown and killed by their own people, unworthies such as Saddam Hussein, Moammar Gaddafi, and the rulers of China who crushed dissent by rolling tanks over their people in Tiananmen Square. But does Putin have some special overarching hold on 45's attention and ability to manipulate 45's policies and public face? Is 45 afraid of Putin or just in his pocket?

Virtually all foreign policy voiced and personally advocated by 45 benefits a Russian agenda. His indifference to and lack of commitment to NATO during this recent trip plays right into Putin's hands. It's as if 45, who bothers not to read his own briefings, has a daily memo from the Kremlin as to how best advance Russian interests. During the campaign 45's rhetoric about fixed elections, HRC's security "crimes", her "failing" health, many other lies and tricks to damage her candidacy paralleled and aped the Russian fake news bots trolling disinformation. Who was copying whom? Or were both campaigns, the 45 one and the Russian propaganda one working together in close colluding concert?

There are reports on 45 that date back to his bankruptcy days in the late 80's where he had little capital  and great debt. His buildings and casinos were drowning in debt, and no one in legitimate American banking would touch 45 in considering him for loans. Somehow 45 resurrected his financial base over and above taking advantage of bankruptcy to clear his debt. There are reports and evidence to point to 45 getting loans and financial backing from Russian banks and uber-wealthy Russian oligarchs who essentially ARE the Russian government, with ties and backing of Russian intelligence. 45 has lied about having no loans or ties to Russian money...he qualifies it by limiting that time window to the past ten years. But he was swimming in Russian funding a decade or more before that, and both his sons have admitted that 45 capital is heavily Russian supplied. What does Putin know and have over the POTUS from his days in the KGB and FSB? Quite a bit is my thinking. Enough to run a bit and bridle through 45's mouth and ride that neighing Palomino for all he's worth. Ride him hard and put him away wet.

There's no other reasonable explanation to explain 45's fealty and subservience to his Russian master. And I just hope time doesn't run out for American democracy and all that we cherish before the dogs of Robert Mueller and the FBI run 45 to ground and give him his just dessert.

Edited by yadda yadda, 26 May 2017 - 07:55 AM.


#2 cade

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:48 PM

I don't even like talking about collusion at this point because I think it raises the bar way too high in the public's mind for what would constitute wrongdoing by Trump. This is why Trump's defenders focus on the collusion allegation and act as if it has to be proven or Trump is exonerated on everything, even though there are many other impeachable offenses he may have committed. They know that even when collusion happens, it's very rarely proven, especially when done by the extremely rich and powerful. In terms of the election, I think any collusion would've been unnecessary, since Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack Hillary's emails and it was obvious enough they'd be rewarded for that in some way. Of course there could've been another reason for them to collude. With his "Trump University" scam, Trump conned working class Americans out of something like $1000-$10,000 a piece, so why wouldn't such a person also be willing to cut a deal with Putin to relieve the massive debt he owes to Russian oligarchs? But even if that happened, I highly doubt it will be proven.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 02:07 PM

^ I like talking about collusion because I believe in my heart that it happened. Not necessarily by 45 himself, though I think him thoroughly capable of selling out the country to grab the presidential brass ring for his ego and free license to cash in materially by winning the office. He may just be a dupe, a useful secondary tool of Russian assets or mercenaries like Manafort and Flynn, but I think investigation will bear out that for sure 45's campaign manager Manafort had Russian handprints and strings all over him, and that his NSA Flynn has secrets to be squeezed out that will reveal if not collusion in manipulating the election itself, but an attempt to establish back channel off the books lines of communication to Putin. For what purpose, enhancing avenues for peace and prosperity between the two nations? Or a clandestine conduit for receiving orders and continued assurance of blackmail threats?

But you're right, cade. Collusion may turn out to be be hard to prove, at least on the POTUS. I am buoyed however that there is so much raw intel for Mueller's team to sift through, both from NSA/CIA recorded intercepts of Russian spy traffic to a broad array of our allies intel intercepts recordings of 45 campaign principals talking to Russian officials and interests. Proof of collusion would be nice, but very identifiable instances of obstruction of justice by 45, Priebus, potentially Kushner and other WH aides will continue to be a metaphorical dagger against 45's side, keeping him nervous, agitated, afraid to draw full breath. So proof of collusion on the POTUS is not really even necessary to sink his battleship. The coverup is almost always more damning than the crime.

And collusion or no, an investigation into 45's finances and transactions and that of his associates should provide ample ammunition for Mueller and the FBI to pick apart the target.I believe that 45 is as crooked and corrupt as they come, up to his eyeballs in deals with NY organized crime, Russian mafia,  likely Russian money laundering, and a host of criminal or extra-ethical financial endeavors, hopefully including tax fraud as it did his looming mentor, the ghost of Nixon. And yes, he WAS a crook.  :)

Edited by yadda yadda, 26 May 2017 - 02:20 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 07:35 PM

Dept. of blown minds...

http://observer.com/...ed-with-russia/


Just as an interesting aside, The Observer is owned and run by Jared Kushner.  ;)






#5 sierraleone

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:00 PM

Trump is such a luddite (except for his twitter user skills), rarely using computers, never using email as I understand it….

Unless
a) there exists a record of a direct phone call or in person meeting between Trump and a Russian middle person,
(a man who has outsources/delegates much of his work his whole life), &/OR
b) a middle person, to save their own skin, gives up Trump
(from whom they may get a Presidential Pardon as long as they don't make it more likely he'll end up impeached before they get the Pardon, IIUC), &/OR
c) Russia decides to leak the information, after Trump has outlived his usefulness, just to undermine faith in U.S. democracy further or something
(risking parts of the U.S. government wanting to retaliate in some way, such as further sanctions)

It will be hard to prove Trump's direct involvement.

Lots of Nixon's staff got punished for Watergate, and did not give Nixon up….

Edited by sierraleone, 26 May 2017 - 08:13 PM.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:22 PM

I'm looking at Plan B. Prison could be a lonely, or even a far too lively social experience for a pinch-faced ramrod straight former Lt. General, a pretty boy son-in-law who will miss his teddy and has nightmares of his daddy's incarceration, or a fat faced bon vivant not wanting to be too far from his eastern European mansions and stashes of millions in Russian payoffs in secretly laundered overseas accounts. They may actually blow out their hammies racing each other for the firstest with the bestest fink out on old Donald 45.

Edited by yadda yadda, 26 May 2017 - 08:23 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:27 PM

^ and I am sure there will be Trump supporters saying "they're criminals! And we are supposed to believe them? They are lying to save their own skin!"

I swear, they will find more excuses for Trump than Petunia Dursley did for Dudley....
Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 08:39 PM

^ Criminals? I thought 45 promised to surround himself with only the BEST people? The cream of the crop. The greatest brains America had available, next to 45's great brain, of course. How would any criminals get into his administration? Dang! If only we'd built that wall in time. Or passed that travel ban. Now we're overrun with criminals...  :(


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