I thought about bumping the thread How did the Democrats lose, and where do they go from here? [post elec
But I figured, even if I still think she was the better candidate, that you, gsmonks, deserved a "you were right". Your first post in this thread:
gsmonks, on 07 September 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:
Hillary Clinton is blaming Bernie Sanders for costing her the election.
Really? Is she surreal?
It's the other way around. The Electoral College gerrymandered things so that Hillary could win, yet Bernie was able to give her a run for her money, nevertheless. The election was stolen from Sanders, not Hillary.
People didn't vote for Hillary primarily because they didn't like her.
Sour grapes, petty, small-minded . . . the list of reasons to not like her is growing.
Has anyone seen the news story that came out from Donna Brazile? I know we don't have much reason to trust her on some matters (and her positioning of herself in her article
is really nauseating), you might remember that she is the one that gave Hillary's campaign one of the questions to one of the debates leading her to get fired from CNN. But presumably her accusations can be collaborated.
The main thrusts of her article:
- After she took the helm as the interim chair of the DNC after Clinton secured the nomination.
- Near right away she found out the DNC was broke and nearly 2 million in debt, so she followed the money.
- Also, she ended up trying to find out whether or not the primary, now over, was rigged for Hillary.
- Obama had left the DNC in terrible shape, financially (other ways as well), and the plan was for the DNC was to pay this debt slowly off by 2016.
- Previous chair, installed by Obama, Debbie Wasserman Schults, had not winnowed staff between elections as is normal, keeping on unneeded consultants. And some of Obama's consultants were on the DNC payroll too.
- Aug 2015, 4 months after Clinton announced she was running, there was an funding agreement that was signed by DNC former CEO Amy Dacey, and Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook. Because of the horrible financial position that the DNC was in, it was allowed and specified in the agreement that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC that Clinton would control the party's finances, staffing, and all the money raised.
- Normally the party/DNC only comes under the control of a candidate after they have secured the nomination (unless they are an incumbent), not some 11 months before.
- This kind of arrangement is not illegal. But it is unethical and corrupt.
I *have* read another article which says No, Hillary Didn't "Rig" the Primary Against Bernie by Signing The Fundraising Agreement.
I will agree with one small part of it:
Nowhere in the piece does Brazile mention … that the Sanders campaign also signeda joint fundraising agreement with the DNC. Bernie could have raised more money through that agreement, which would have helped the DNC financially and also arguably helped down-ballot Democrats, but he chose to raise money through small donations.
While I understand what they are saying, in no way does the different way they go about funding their campaigns should allow a candidate to have control over the DNC's finances, staffing, strategy and all the money raised for the DNC (including the monies the other candidates raised for the DNC???). I doubt that such an agreement was on the table for Sanders….
As I said above, her accusations should be verifiable. And when I add it to that already sorry state I knew about the DNC due to Obama's influence, as mentioned in the Democrats Lose thread. I have also heard reporting over the last while that the DNC was being very secretive about their finances, even with other DNC officials who are suppose to have a right to that information. This could help explain why.
The best that someone could say about this is that this is what the sausage looks like being made, and that yes, it is rather unsavoury…. It also appears most of this was known, to various degrees, before the election, it just wasn't widely reported.
But yeah, the idea that Sanders and his supporters *stole* the election from Clinton? Well, I guess Clinton did think she bought, paid for, and owned it….
Edited by sierraleone, 02 November 2017 - 05:39 PM.