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Why Ontario, Why!?! (Provincial Election Results)


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#1 sierraleone

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Posted 07 June 2018 - 09:43 PM

A little background.

Ontario is Canada's largest province, accounting for ~40% of the population.
Ontario just held a Provincial election.

Mainstream parties:

Liberals - A centrist or center-left party. They have been in power in 2003. Since 2013 the Provincial Premier (equivalent to governor+state legislative leader) has been Kathleen Wynn. There have certainly been complaints and dissatisfaction about the liberals after 15 years of them.
New Democrats Party (NDP) - Left of center party. They have been in power once since 1975, in the early 90s, and that run they had was hated and is still talked about among some non-millennials when NDP is brought up.
Progressive Conservatives (PC) - Right of center party. There used to be two right of center parties in Canada, but they started merging in the early 2000s. So now the conservative vote is not split, at least on the Federal level, and also not on the provincial level in Ontario.

PC Leader: The party had a leader shake up in Jan due to the #metoo movement, and so they had to determine their new leader quick. Enter in Doug Ford. You may have heard of his younger brother, the infamous Rob Ford, the crack-mayor-of-Toronto (now deceased). While he is not his brother he has quite his own youthful indiscretions (alleged 1980s drug dealer, specifically hashish) and is bullyish and sexist and homophobic. Doug's previous experience is mostly in his well-to-do family business Deco Labels and Tags, which he refused to release details on, and he is still involved as I understand it. He does have limited experience in politics, one term as a City Councillor (2010-2014) when he was his Mayor brother's primary politic ally / advisor.

So, while results are still coming in, this much seems sure:
-PC has won the most seats, and a majority of them... They have ~40% of the popular vote and ~60% of the seats (76/125) for sure so far. Ontario's new Premier is Doug Ford.
-NDP, with ~34% of the vote has won ~32% of the seats (40)
-Liberals, with ~20% of the vote has won ~6% of the seats (7)
For the Liberals this means they go from holding a majority of seats to not having enough seats to qualifying for official party status (requires 8 seats) under the current rules. They loose money and loose access (to the party-in-power's documents that are shared with other parties) and loose time (on the legislative floor).
-Green Party (a environmental party), with ~5% of the vote has won ~1% of the seats (1).

Turnout was ~58%

I would have been okay with a minority party, held in check by the other parties. But a conservative majority, plus headed by Doug Ford.... Ugh...

One thing the parliamentary system has going for it is it is very easy to replace a leader. So if the PC party doesn't like Doug Ford's leadership they can turf him much easier than say the U.S. Congress can replace POTUS. I suspect if it does happen it will take a while... the PCs have been out of power for 15 years.

Edited by sierraleone, 08 June 2018 - 06:02 PM.

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Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
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#2 D.Rabbit

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Posted 03 July 2018 - 10:21 PM

Why? Because the liberals didn't put a cap on the hydro rates.
Seniors where having to go without food or freeze.
They did start to hand over a few measly bucks to those on fixed incomes. Not much and too late.

I'm sure there are many other reasons, but I don't pay that much attention to Politics.
I refused to vote for any of them. One liar is as good as another so why bother.

I do prefer the Liberals, when they are not being run by someone who is not paying attention to the needs of the population.
The Conservatives are worse. They love to harpoon the sick, and elderly.

Our medical system has never recovered from their last slash.
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#3 gsmonks

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Posted 04 July 2018 - 02:08 PM

Voters are dolts. It's a fact of life.
Capitalism is a pyramid scheme run by the 1%.

#4 D.Rabbit

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 12:20 AM

I don't agree.
I did vote for Trudeau.
Only because it made sense to legalize marijuana after Colorado had made such a success of it.
(Watching Harper lie, saying pot was addictive, then avert his eyes to the floor was the clincher)

More funds going to bolster the coffers the Liberals like to empty out for social programs, less funding for law enforcement and penal institutions.
Of course the RCMP are keeping a watch at the Peace Tower to make sure the biker gangs don't riot over loss of income. :D

I do appreciate less air traffic over my rural home. There are still a few choppers up there looking for large fields of the stuff, but it's less annoying to have them fly over my north hill at all hours of the day and night to spy on me.

One had to be very quick to dodge out the back door naked, if you missed your opportunity....
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#5 sierraleone

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Posted 05 July 2018 - 04:20 PM

Nice to see you D. Rabbit :)

I just got back from a trip to Montreal.

Premier Dime-Bag is already doing crap that is making me angry, and I probably haven't even seen the half of it. All I saw while I was away were some 240 character tweets about it, and most of my twitter is actually American stuff. Probably made for a better vacation though ;)

Edited by sierraleone, 05 July 2018 - 04:20 PM.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

#6 D.Rabbit

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 07:37 AM

Thanks for the greeting.
At least Dime-Bag is not as bad as some other bags available for descriptions.

Sure he has to play the game or the CIA will kill his family.
It's bound to upset a lot of folks.

I was a little surprised that the CIA was pegged as tapping my phone when Mr. PI lived here, but it turns out that our neighbors to the south want us to play their game.

Edited by D.Rabbit, 06 July 2018 - 07:38 AM.

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#7 gsmonks

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 01:51 PM

Pot should come with a stern warning: people with a predisposition to certain types of mental illness will suffer irreparable harm from a single use.

It should only be legalised with that caveat.
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#8 D.Rabbit

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 05:10 AM

^ That goes for booze too.

More paranoia inducing then schizoid, that has been my experience.
I did quit smoking it for 10 years until I was proved right by the World Bank that educating the 3rd world was a way to bolster world trade.
Maybe one should add in, "Might cause world changing insights,"  too.

I'm good with or without now that I have Youtube.
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