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#1 sierraleone

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 06:12 PM

With Iowa Caucus tonight I thought I'd start a threat on the Democratic Primaries.

I'm not impressed that billionaires have bought their way onto the debate stage, but at least one has experience Governing & has a record folks can look at & is trying to support the down-ticket candidates (IIUC).

Of course privileged persons have often run in politics, tho I can't help but wonder what their motivations are. They think they can win? How much of their motivation has to do with thinking either
-They are the best position to beat Trump in their opinion
-They are concerned that the more 'socialist' candidates will hand the election to Trump
-They are concerned about how the policy of the more 'socialist' candidates will impact their bottom line
-They have the best policy ideas.
-They simply can

The race seems neck & neck at the top of the pack, according to polls. I ain't American, so I really don't have a say in this Primary, much less the Federal Elections happening this November, but curious who everyone else is rooting for. Any any honorable mentions or mourning for candidates that have already dropped out?

Current Candidates (listed according to a poll results a week ago)
-Bernie Sanders- Senator for VT
-Joe Biden- served as VP under Obama
-Elizabeth Warren- Senator for MA
-Pete Buttigieg- Former Mayor of South Bend, IN & first openly gay Presidential Candidate
-Micheal Bloomberg- Former Mayor of NYC. Billionaire. Entered race end of Nov 2019
-Amy Klobuchar- Senator for MN
-Andrew Yang- Business person, campaign focus Climate Change IIRC
-Tom Steyer- Billionaire business person
-Tulsi Gabbard- Representative for HI & first Hindu Presidential Candidate
-Micheal Bennet- Senator for CO
-Deval Patrick- former 2 term MA Governor

Candidates that Dropped Out, in order dropped out (possible VP nods?)
-Richard Ojeda- former Military, & served in WV State Senate
-Eric Swalwell- Representative for CA
-Mike Gravel- former Senator for AK
-John Hickenlooper- former CO Governor
-Jay Inslee- WA Governor
-Seth Moulton- Representative for MA
-Kirsten Gillibrand- Senator for NY
-Bill de Blasio- NYC Mayor
-Tim Ryan- Representative for OH
-Beto O'Rourke- was Representative for TX until 2019, tried for U.S. Senate & narrowly lost to Ted Cruz
-Wayne Messam- Mayor of Miramar FL & former Football Player
-Joe Sestak- former Representative for PA
-Steve Bullock- Montana Govenor
-Kamala Harris- Senator for CA
-Julian Castro- served under Obama as U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
-Marianna Williamson- author & self-help guru
-Cory Booker- Senator For NJ, former Mayor of Newark NJ
-John Delany- Representative for MD until 2019

Edited by sierraleone, 03 February 2020 - 07:25 PM.

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Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
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#2 gsmonks

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 12:00 PM

The US is finished. There's usually a pendulum-swing back when the evil forces exert themselves, but this time the pendulum has continued.

Corruption and evil have been a problem in the US from the beginning. This time it's different. Both parties are in bed with corruption and evil to the point that there is no turning back.

A study of the history of the US shows that corruption has been there from the beginning. Without giving you a 10-hour history lesson, let me just mention the mayor of Kansas City, Kansas, back in the Depression (Prendergast), the Teamsters, union busting at the beginning of the 20th century, the busting of the Bonus March by Patton and Eisenhower (WWI vets wanting a fair shake and having their march smashed by government fascists), and the hits just keep on coming. It's a very long list that leaves your blood boiling.

It doesn't matter what the Dems do now, largely because they're just as guilty of colluding with corrupt monied interests.

Biden is irrelevant for the same reason that Billary is irrelevant. Dixiecrat phonies pretending to be Democrats.

The ever-present elephant in the room where Biden is concerned is that, like Billary, people don't like him, as they sense a phony. He was okay as Obama's running-mate, but few want him as president.

People have the same problem with Elizabeth Warren. People won't vote for her.

Like all the backing gerrymandered by the Democratic Primaries, it will evaporate at the polling booth.

I predicted a Twitler win and a Twitler impeachment years ago. I'm now predicting a Twitler second term.

In my experience of watching many, many elections, the voters usually make the dumbest choice imaginable.
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#3 sierraleone

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 07:11 PM

I hope you are wrong. The off year mid-terms had good turn out. The thing is, that you need the good and right turn out in the swing states. And, as you said, hope that the democrats are not just the lesser evil.

Tho I figure voting for the lesser evil to stave off worse evil is pragmatic, even if some find it discouraging. Trump has done some awful things that I don't think a current Democrat politician would do as President would have done, even if things were not perfect. Tho I don't imagine many thought that a Republican President would have done these things either, and people are either cheering them or brushing them off. Like masses & masses kids separate from family & in cages, for one.

The PR from not being able to manage the Iowa caucus can't be doing any good for their image (though I know it was the state Democratic party, not the national, that is at fault, if fault is going to be given. Along with whoever did the tech for the tallying the caucus results).

Whatever one might say about the primary process.... Imagine all the money & sweat poured into Iowa by each campaign... Going largely to waste, & going to be overshadowed now by the SOTU address tonight & the Senate's Impeachment Judgement (likely a non-conviction) tomorrow.

Looks like some results are coming out now. 62% reporting. Percentage of S.D.E.s (popular vote is different)

Pete Buttigieg 26.9%
Bernie Sanders 25.1%
Elizabeth Warren 18.3%
Joe Biden 15.6%
Amy Klobuchar 12.6%
Andrew Yang 1%
Everyone else under 1%

Edited by sierraleone, 04 February 2020 - 07:25 PM.

Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

#4 gsmonks

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Posted 06 February 2020 - 12:04 PM

The problem now is what elections and politics are all about:

Elections are about sucking Middle Class dick, to the exclusion of all else. Veterans, natives, minorities, the mentally ill, the disabled, prisoners, anyone and any thing not Middle Class, is treated with depraved indifference by all parties.

Politics is about being in bed with corrupt monied interests. This applies to both parties.

Politicians of all stripes all have two agendas: 1) getting or staying elected, and 2) some private agenda that is not shared with joe public. ALL politicians are two-faced weasels.

Something I learned as a child: earnest people are not to be trusted.
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#5 D.Rabbit

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 02:17 AM

Watched Bernie's most recent gathering. Sorry it was on Facebook where I rarely tread and who knows where it has moved off to by now, so no link.

He is waging war against the 1%.
I did have to comment that he is making a big mistake saying that he is promoting, "Democratic Socialism."
During the Cold War the American people where brainwashed into thinking that Socialism was the same as Communism and if he wanted to get the Boomers to vote his way he needed to change it to Democratic Cooperative or Collective.

Time to trash the mistaken belief that Capitalism is a good thing. How could it be when it crashes so often?
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#6 sierraleone

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 09:12 AM

There is a clip I think from yesterday of Chris Matthews is definitely asserting he isn't sure whether Bernie Sanders is for socialism like Denmark, or for Communism, that if it had won the cold war that he (Chris Matthews) might have been executed, among others, in Central Park....

Found a clip. 51 seconds into a 2 minute clip.
https://www.mediaite...d-won-cold-war/
Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

#7 D.Rabbit

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 08:57 PM

Mathews looks like he is directly related to the man I saw trying to defend Monsanto and it's lies a few days ago. (Got into it with one of their trolls saying they where innocent of any wrong doing, and silenced him.)

Told you most of the boomers in the States are not going to sidle up to the word Socialism without saying, no no, not Cuba's dictatorship, Canada's style of socialism. (Oh the irony of Trump assuming the position of dictator of the States recently!)
Canada should ask if the States wants to join us? We would make short work of their military might and channel funds into the think tanks.

I'm totally against the "Trickle Down," assimilation of the 1%. If you don't know what that is, they are asked to contribute their fair share, if they don't, the trickle down is in reference to their actual blood.
I'd rather just insist on a maximum wage. Total accountability as to what the funds they acquire are being used for.
Total confiscation over the maximum wage if they are not being used to promote infrastructure in the countries they took the money from so that it could be used to promote education, medical care, roads and bridges so commerce thrives.
Pretty much the most civilized way out of our war economy and the Pin Stripes/bankers pretending they are all powerful.

Switzerland the number one country in the world to live in has 13 political parties. All with at least 2 members with seats, many in coalition.   The major minority is the Socialist party. Perhaps there is a way for the States to dance the same dance?
Why just two parties?
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#8 gsmonks

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 12:10 PM

I can't stand Joe. He's a self-important pratt.

Elizabeth Warren strikes me as Billary Lite. Well-meaning but part of the groteque past.

Problem with Bernie is Big Business, which will run interference at every turn if he's elected. We'd need a younger, more healthy Bernie to take them on.

I don't think Amy klobuchar is tough or intelligent enough to get anything done.

I'm hoping Pete has some toughness and canny to go with his smarts. Maybe that's what everyone is hoping?
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#9 sierraleone

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 05:00 PM

Don't forget the down tickets tho, as this rap says! Whoever you support, they can't get an agenda done without representatives & senators willing to support it.


Rules for surviving an Autocracy:

Rule#1: Believe the Autocrat.
Rule#2: Do not be taken in by small signs of normality.
Rule#3: Institutions will not save you.
Rule#4: Be outraged.
Rule#5: Don't make compromises.
Rule#6: Remember the future.
- Masha Gessen
Source: http://www2.nybooks....r-survival.html

#10 D.Rabbit

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 11:34 PM

I like the video bringing hope if you vote. I don't hold much confidence in the 1% not putting whom they want in office.  No matter how many votes, the 1% will find a way to make them disappear.

I do think a younger Bernie would be a better option but he has the funds and the will to make changes.
IMHO He was scuttled by Hilary's dirty tactics in Seattle last time.

According to my research all the representatives etc are afraid of Trump.  He is going full dictator.
Not good considering he has an omnipotence complex.  Someone or some group is feeding his delusions. He appears to be getting worse and that's is what happened to Hitler.

Hitler believed that his was the superior race. He wasn't of that opinion when he was first tossed in jail. "They," found the perfect loud mouth dupe to run as their puppet.  I know who "They" where and still are but I don't want to go down that road atm.
It's all an ancient power struggle and I'll leave it at that.

Read my post in the Flee thread.  It coincides with what I learned from inside sources during the Clinton administration.
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#11 gsmonks

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:58 AM

Last night I happened to catch a headline stating that moderate Dems are trying to find a way to stop Bernie's momentum.

What the- ?!

Why would they want to, and what makes them think they have the right?

The Dems, like the GOP, need an enema.
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#12 gsmonks

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Posted 27 February 2020 - 11:46 AM

I was very disappointed in Pete Buttigieg's remarks directed at Bernie Sanders the other day. Made with the empty-headed WASP Hate of the 1950's and earlier. It could be characterised as contrived religious right-wing Hate speech directed towards such things as Socialism back in the day.

My late grandfather, a US socialist from the early days, would have wanted to punch him in the face.

Seems being gay doesn't preclude you from being an arsehole.
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#13 cade

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Posted 28 February 2020 - 10:19 PM

I liked Buttigieg at first but this deep dive into his chilling autobiography fixed that. Fantastic to see a gay candidate make it this far, though, and I'd certainly support him against Trump. Just sad how he went from supporting Medicare for All to attacking it with right-wing framing. What he never tells people about his "Medicare for all who want it" plan is that it has a supercharged version of the very unpopular Obamacare mandate. It's not actually about freedom at all, and doesn't come close to establishing health care as a human right.

I support the only candidate who's so "extreme" as to dare support FDR's Economic Bill of Rights. Despite still being very popular with rank-and-file Democrats, FDR's vision is anathema to establishment Dems. Their actions have convinced me that most of them would rather see four more years of Trump than Bernie Sanders in the White House. With Trump they'll still control the Democratic Party, and he's great for their fundraising, whereas the NotMeUs movement is an existential threat to their power and that of their corporate sponsors.

They're so panicked and befuddled about how to stop that movement that now they're red-baiting Bernie for saying the same things about Cuba that Obama said many times, praising its progress on education and health care while also condemning its authoritarianism and human rights abuses. In the debate Biden lied about Obama never saying those things, and he falsely asserted that Bernie had never condemned those abuses. Biden's campaign released a statement with outright McCarthyist smearing of Bernie: "Make no mistake: Bernie Sanders’ comments on Fidel Castro are a part of a larger pattern throughout his life to embrace autocratic leaders and governments across the globe."

Who Loves Dictators? Bernie or His Rivals?

When the Egyptian people were fighting and dying in the streets for their freedom, Biden praised the dictator Hosni Mubarak as an ally and said he wouldn't call him a dictator (at 3:13 of video). Even far worse than that or anything Bernie has ever said or done, Biden supported giving Mubarak and the next Egyptian dictator, el-Sisi, over $1 billion a year in military aid. But that was never even a controversy because those are/were right-wing dictators subservient to US corporate and military interests. The US has a long history of supporting, arming and installing such monsters. As of 2015 the US was giving military assistance to 73% of the world's dictatorships.

Biden was VP for the administration that sold Saudi Arabia more weapons than ever before, over $115 billion worth, including cluster bombs outlawed by 119 countries (sadly, one of the main reasons I supported Obama against Hillary was that, unlike her, he voted to ban cluster bombs). Biden supported Saudi Arabia's war on Yemen that created what remains the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. I can't find any record of him turning against that war until after he started running for president last spring, over a month after Bernie had successfully passed bipartisan legislation that would've ended US support for it except for Trump's veto.

No "journalist" working for the corporate media will even question Biden on his longstanding support for aiding and abetting murderous dictators. No, the real problem is Bernie echoing Obama's praise of Cuba's health care and literacy rates. It's all about distracting people with manufactured controversies over trivial issues, because they can't beat Bernie on the real issues most affecting and harming people, not just in the US but all over the world.

#14 cade

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Posted 09 March 2020 - 04:35 AM

Well, I hope all the people asserting that Biden will beat Trump will be proven right, because this primary is effectively over. Despite the best efforts of the corporate media and Democratic establishment polls have shown all along that most voters side with Bernie on policy, and he's consistently had the highest favorability, but electability is paramount and with all those perfectly timed endorsements and hundreds of millions in free advertising Biden regained the huge edge he had on that issue. Policies have been rendered irrelevant because of desperation to get Trump out, but there's been no reckoning with the conditions that created Trump, so I fear we're headed for something even worse 4-8 years from now.

Hopefully Biden is ready for the Trump tsunami that's about to hit him, because the corporate media won't be able to cover for him anymore, and will be happy to swim in money for broadcasting Trump's attacks. Bernie has been too nice to bring the most damaging stuff up, but Trump's forces won't pull any punches, they have basically unlimited money, and an extremely mobilized base that dwarfs Biden's in energy and enthusiasm.

Fortunately Trump remains an extremely weak candidate. His criminal efforts to hide the spread and severity of the coronavirus will also hurt him very badly. Any real journalist should be reporting that this isn't Trump "mishandling" things, it's an outright conspiracy, and if it's not stopped very quickly it's going to result in many thousands more deaths - very possibly hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths. Hope everyone here is taking extreme precautions and makes it out ok. If possible, stay home, avoid people as much as you can - not just for yourself but for anyone you care about. What makes this virus especially dangerous is how most people infected are either asymptomatic or only show moderate flu symptoms, so they're much more likely to be walking around casually infecting vulnerable people.

Dr. Richard Hatchett, who's been working on epidemic preparedness for 20 years, says this is the most frightening disease he's ever encountered, that it's likely to become globally endemic and stay with us for years.

Edited by cade, 09 March 2020 - 10:02 AM.




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