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The Adolescence of P-1 (TAoP1) by Thomas Ryan, 1977

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#1 Orpheus


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Posted 21 May 2020 - 10:40 PM

Did any of you read this novel, back in the day (or more recently)? Thoughts?

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View PostOrpheus, on 20 May 2020 - 09:51 PM, said:

I dunno. I have a typed manuscript of "The Adolescence of P1" with a weird "1976" frontispiece, which might qualify as a self-aware novel .

I'm told that TAoP1 wasn't officially published until 1977, and didn't end quite the same, so it may have been a pre-pub Copy I got through MITSFS or MIT Baker House, but it is nonetheless how I prefer to recall the book: In my version (basically only a few sentences changed at the very end), P! seemed a bit less cowering, with a bit more of a plan..

View PostRJDiogenes, on 21 May 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

P-1 is out there, and has altered the galleys to make himself the hero.  :D

I never heard of this book before, but I just checked out the Wiki page.  Rather prophetic in many ways.

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Posted 22 May 2020 - 06:34 PM

It seems to be out of print, and for a long time. I'll see if I can track down a digital copy on the web.
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