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#21 Rov Judicata

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 10:58 AM

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Hovever, it should not be discounted that those who wanted Arnold knew he was famous, Republican, and a movie star, and that Arnold knew that they knew, that he made like maybe he was/wasn't running, and saved his announcement for Jay Leno. He played everyone, so if anyone was "elitist", it was him, if only because he knew he could get to be governor, and so far...

Politicians are often evasive about whether they're running, and they always like to keep their options open to the last minute. This is a tradition that no doubt dates back to Og running on the pro-fire platform.

And he didn't 'know' he could 'get' to be governor; he thought there was a reasonable chance that the people would elect him. So far, he seems to have played his cards about right. If he can coast through this final week, he should be okay.

Anyway, heck, I understand criticisms of Arnold. I just think that a number of them are unfair. <And I see Arnold as the least of three evils. Only Gary Coleman can save us now>.

EDIT: This, however, may change my mind.  McCain has long been my favourite Senator (even before I moved to Arizona); his word and endorsement does carry a bit of weight. With me, anyway. And hey, maybe Arnold can endorse McCain's '08 presidential bid. *can dream*.

Edited by Javert Rovinski, 03 October 2003 - 11:01 AM.

St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

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#22 schoolpsycho

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 11:11 AM

Hello again,  Rov.

***And he didn't 'know' he could 'get' to be governor;***

Yes, he did. Because...

***he thought there was a reasonable chance that the people would elect him.***

And for what it's worth, I like McCain as well.

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#23 HubcapDave

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 12:47 PM

Javert Rovinski, on Oct 3 2003, 08:38 AM, said:

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In a CNN interview from August, the center's founder, Rabbi Marvin Hier, defended Schwarzenegger, saying he has done more to further the cause of Holocaust awareness than any other movie star.

Yeah, I loved it when he did Schindler's List and It's a Beautiful Life.

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Not to discount the impact of those movies, but that comment is a good example of putting symbolism over substance.


I find the timing of all this junk coming out quite suspect.

I haven't read the Times article, but from what I have heard:

1) The newspaper sought out these people
2) Of the six women, four were quoted anonymously, one was already known about, and the last occurred 30 years ago!
3)None of these women ever filed a harrassment suit!

Not to ever condone or discount unwanted sexual advances, but I think much more is being made of this than is really there!

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 12:47 PM

question for the Americans?

Are any of the other candidates getting these detailed background checks for embarrasing information or is it just Arnold?

i haven't seen much coverage of the election in England.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 12:51 PM

^Somehow, I doubt it.

Although Bustamante did have the whole "Mecha" thing come up. The papers did their best to soft pedal that one, though.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 12:57 PM

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Dave-- It may be form over substance, but honestly... when you think "increased public awareness of the Holocaust", how far down the list is Arnold?

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question for the Americans?

Are any of the other candidates getting these detailed background checks for embarrasing information or is it just Arnold?

There's four major players: Davis, Bustamente, McClintock, Arnold.

Davis-- His stuff was already all out. He's widely hated. Indeed, most of the recall opposition prefaces their argument with, "I don't support Davis, but...". Nobody expected him to survive the recall, so relatively little focus has been on him

Bustamante-- His major deals are de facto money laundering, taking money from casinos and ties with organized racism.

McClintock-- IIRC, He has an aide with some rather regressive views on homosexuality. I haven't really heard anything else about him as a smear.

Arnold-- Everything else.

For whatever reason, Arnold's scandals are getting more play. Because, you know, having sex when you're single is far more important than supporting an organization that wants to compromise US territory and having a candidate who refuses to renounce the slogan "For the race, everything; for those outside the race, nothing". :rolleyes:.

The real reason, of course, is that Arnold has been perceived as the one who will win from day one. If Bustamente was the perceived likely winner, he'd probably be getting more play.
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.

#27 jon3831

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 01:00 PM

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The real reason, of course, is that Arnold has been perceived as the one who will win from day one. If Bustamente was the perceived likely winner, he'd probably be getting more play.

Forgive my cynicism, but I doubt that's the case...

All this crap coming out a few days prior seems like a case of the media trying to save us from ourselves.

All MHO, of course.

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#28 Rov Judicata

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 01:05 PM

^

That's possible too.

Part of me hopes Arnold wins merely for the hysterical op eds that will follow.
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 01:11 PM

HubcapDave, on Oct 3 2003, 09:47 AM, said:

I haven't read the Times article, but from what I have heard:

1) The newspaper sought out these people
2) Of the six women, four were quoted anonymously, one was already known about, and the last occurred 30 years ago!
3)None of these women ever filed a harrassment suit!

Not to ever condone or discount unwanted sexual advances, but I think much more is being made of this than is really there!
Here is some of the descriptions from the article in the Chronicle.  As a woman I find these descriptions nauseating.  And especially in the 70's it was very hard to file charges, even now it is if the man doing it can intimidate silence.  THere is no way to describe to a man how the subtleties of sexual harassment affects us women.  Well my husband knows have been a victim of sexual assault as a child, he finds the descriptions of what Arnold has done as beyond disgusting too.

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The accusations against Schwarzenegger

--  E. Laine Stockton told of an incident in Golds Gym near Venice Beach in  1975. She said she was 19, sitting on an exercise bench, watching her new  husband, Robby Robinson, work out. Stockton told the Times that Schwarzenegger  walked up behind her, reached his left hand under her T-shirt and touched her  left breast. She was not wearing a bra, she said. "I was just shocked, shocked  to the point where I almost didn't know how to react because it was so out of  the blue and so unexpected," she told the newspaper.

-- Anna Richardson, identified as a British television host, told the Times  that in December 2000, she was interviewing Schwarzenegger in a suite at the  Dorchester Hotel in London when he touched her breast. "He kept looking at my  breasts, kept asking if I worked out," she told the newspaper. "I went to  shake his hand and he grabbed me onto his knee and he said, 'Before you go, I  want to know if your breasts are real.' . . . At that point, he circled my  left nipple with his finger and he said, 'Yes, they are real.' " Then he let  her go, she told the paper. She was 29 years old at the time.

-- Sheryl Main, a Hollywood public relations agent, told the Times she was  present during the interview and that Richardson provocatively approached  Schwarzenegger, cupped a hand around a breast and asked "What do you think of  these?"

-- Nancy Tafoya told the newspaper that she was on the set of "Terminator 2, " filmed in 1990, when Schwarzenegger came up behind her and yanked her long  hair. She wasn't touched in a sexual way, she said, but witnessed  Schwarzenegger walk up to another woman on the set. "Then he grabbed both  sides of her knees and pushed them apart and started moving his pelvis into  her." She said the woman laughed nervously and the actor walked away.

The Times also quoted some women, withholding their names at their request  but reportedly verifying that the women had told others of what happened to  them near the time of the incident.

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-- A movie studio secretary told the paper that when she approached the  actor to shake his hand in a movie studio office, he reached his hand under  her skirt and grabbed her buttock. "He just held on," the newspaper quoted her  as saying. "He held on and said, 'You have a very nice ass.' He said, 'I'd  love to work you out.' "

-- A woman the paper identified as a pro beach volleyball player said that  when she was 22 years old and she worked as a waitress, Schwarzenegger kept  trying to get her to go with him to his apartment, saying, "We could have a  lot of fun in a half hour." One day, she said, he encountered her on the  street and grabbed and squeezed her left breast. She said she told him, "If I  was a man, I would bust your jaw." Schwarzenegger laughed, she told the  newspaper. "He thought it was hilarious." She went to her car and "just  started crying and crying," she said.

-- Another woman said the actor kept trying to pull down the straps of her  swimsuit on location for the shooting of "Terminator 2."

-- Still another said that while on location for the same movie, she walked  by where the actor was sitting, surrounded by other men. "I was walking on the  set and Arnold called out, 'Come here, you sexy devil' and reached out and  pulled me on to his lap," she told the newspaper. Then, she said, he whispered  in her ear: "Have you ever had a man slide his tongue in your (anus)?" She got  up and continued on her way, she said. "I didn't fall apart," but "it's  embarrassing and degrading when you're doing a job."

-- Another woman, a waitress, said Schwarzenegger beckoned to her as she  poured coffee at his table. "I bent down to listen to him," she told the  newspaper. "He said, a little louder than a whisper, 'I want you to do a favor  for me.' I thought, OK, maybe he wanted more bread. And he said, 'I want you  to go in the bathroom, stick your finger in your (vagina) and bring it out to  me.' I was disgusted."

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 01:52 PM

^GAH.

It was a REALLY long time ago. Yeah. Right.  :thumbs-down:
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#31 HubcapDave

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 02:34 PM

Well, just remember, we don't know if any of this is true.

It's also hard to face your accusers when they remain anonymous.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 03:22 PM

I, like Zack, am troubled by the timing of these "outings".

None of this is new.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 03:24 PM

HubcapDave, on Oct 3 2003, 12:34 PM, said:

Well, just remember, we don't know if any of this is true.
Hrmph.

At least some of it has to be true, or else it would have been completely illogical to apologize. If Arnold could have said, "None of these are true.", he would have.

The bottom line is that he's guilty of at least one of these incidents, and knows that there's probably enough evidence for the media to damn him.

Whether that influences your vote is, as always, your call.
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 03:32 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 3 2003, 12:22 PM, said:

I, like Zack, am troubled by the timing of these "outings".

None of this is new.

Lil
Perhaps, but I didn't know about it, or to the extent.  While I don't think what a politician does in their private lives is any of our business, this stuff is not private, but a public nuisance at best and a pathological predator (yikes, no pun intended) at worse.

I am with Rov, there had to be a reason for the apology.

Bottomline, it doesn't influence my vote, I wouldn't vote for an actor that has zero political experience.  But it does send chills through me thinking that a person with such a mindset could be govenor.
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Posted 03 October 2003 - 04:00 PM

GiGi, on Oct 3 2003, 03:32 PM, said:

But it does send chills through me thinking that a person with such a mindset could be govenor.
Hey, not only governor! Some people like this actually get elected to the Presidency.  :cool:
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Posted 03 October 2003 - 04:17 PM

^Right, and now the people who roasted Clinton for that are now calling Arnold's behavior "playful"  Double standard much?!

From what I know most of Clinton's liasons were with willing women, not the grop and run tactics (on strangers) that Arnold has.
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Posted 03 October 2003 - 04:45 PM

What Gigi said. Clinton apparently chose willing partners. He doesn't seem to have spent much time groping unwitting females.
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#38 Drew

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 04:54 PM

Let's ask Juanita Broaddrick.  :cool:

(Hmmm. I'm thinking we need a new form of "Godwin's Law" for those times when Clinton's deeds are interjected into the conversation.)  :cool:
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Posted 03 October 2003 - 05:00 PM

Why why why do people insist on this Godwin's Law b*llsh*t?

If you disagree with a comparison say so and show why you disagree.

I HATE Godwin's Law and the way it's used to quash discussions.

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Posted 03 October 2003 - 05:04 PM

Off the top of my head, "Paula Jones" (where he gave up scads of cash) comes to mind. And, um, that other one... Katherine Willy, I think?

Clinton, of course, chose willing partners too. As did Arnold. I do see a lot of similarity betwen the two men (and support neither).
St. Louis must be destroyed!

Me: "I have a job and five credit cards and am looking into signing a two year lease.  THAT MAKES ME OLD."
Josh: "I don't have a job, I have ONE credit card, I'm stuck in a lease and I'm 28! My mom's basement IS ONE BAD DECISION AWAY!"
~~ Josh, winning the argument.

"Congress . . . shall include every idiot, lunatic, insane person, and person non compos mentis[.]" ~1 U.S.C. 1, selectively quoted for accuracy.



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