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California Recall 2003.Grey Davis

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#81 Rov Judicata

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:39 AM

Arnold is giving a pretty standard speech about the people, about politics as usual losing, etc.

Barring a major turnaround, it looks like the best speech of the night goes to Davis... which is, frankly, the strangest thing about the recall election, period.
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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:42 AM

^I was impressed with Arnold's supporters though when he mentioned his phone call with Mr. Davis.

Much, much classier than what Davis' followers did.

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#83 Rov Judicata

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:44 AM

Arnold wants to represent 'everybody'?

It's a bit early to be crashing and burning, isn't it? :eek:
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#84 Bad Wolf

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:48 AM

That was a very cute speech from Ahnold.

COMPLETELY unrealistic.

Hey I know, let's send him NuTrance with her magic green elf tree as a political advisor and maybe THEN he'll have a snowball's chance in hell of pleasing everybody.

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:55 AM

Of course there is the He's so bad and sucks at the job which has held a total of what an hour?  Yet Davis the master of Fair play and his even kinder and honest associate  Busti have been reall sports about doing their best.

Basically my take on the Election is folks were tired of both the lying bastards and went with someone who they can remove in a year and ahalf if you really stretch the half part.

Then again the average person did not know how wonderful Gray was going to be for them and how he would take care of all the problems with a wave of his hand and  singing  Lean On me for the remainder of his term.
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#86 Josh

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 12:55 AM

^

If it's one thing I've learned about this board, you just can't please everybody. This could become a VERY interesting situation very quickly. Or not so quickly. Either way, at least he's idealistic.
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#87 Kevin Street

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 02:04 AM

Darn it, I was hoping for Garry Coleman! :p
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Posted 08 October 2003 - 09:15 AM

GiGi, on Oct 7 2003, 10:27 PM, said:

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 7 2003, 07:46 PM, said:

I'm watching CNN right now and Huffington is raising some GREAT points about the flaws with Arnold's 'plan' and ISSA is sitting there attacking her personally, being condescending, interrupting her and generally coming off as a first class PR*CK.

Sheesh. What an *a$$h*le.

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Indeed the ONLY worse candidate than Arnold would have been Issa!!!!!!!
Arnold doesn't actually have a plan. What he mostly has, other than repealing the increased car license fees, is vaporware, and he seems completely unaware that, unlike a starring role in a movie, he doesn't get to call the shots (you know, that pesky legislature and all :p).

I can't wait till his first hundred days are over and we get to review his "plan."

Edited by Rhea, 08 October 2003 - 11:32 AM.

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#89 Rhea

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 09:16 AM

G1223, on Oct 7 2003, 10:55 PM, said:

Of course there is the He's so bad and sucks at the job which has held a total of what an hour?  Yet Davis the master of Fair play and his even kinder and honest associate  Busti have been reall sports about doing their best.

Basically my take on the Election is folks were tired of both the lying bastards and went with someone who they can remove in a year and ahalf if you really stretch the half part.

Then again the average person did not know how wonderful Gray was going to be for them and how he would take care of all the problems with a wave of his hand and  singing  Lean On me for the remainder of his term.
I don't think most people thought Davis was wonderful. More the contrary. But the best thing to do would have been to wait till his term was over and run a REAL election.
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#90 Norville

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 10:33 AM

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I don't think most people thought Davis was wonderful. More the contrary.

I didn't like Davis at all. Am I supposed to adore Ah-nold, then? Why? Give me a good reason, G.

G, if you start the sort of wartime routine that you did during Iraq (if you dissent, you're unAmerican, because you obviously love Saddam), and apply it to here (if you don't support Ah-nold, you're disloyal), you'd best learn to argue in a different way (though I suspect you don't know how to). I'm native to Northern California; I'm old enough to remember California when it was a good place to be. You don't have any business telling me how to be a "real" Californian, that I should've voted for Ah-nold. I voted for whom I pleased, though he didn't have a chance, and I find it rather odd that a conservative such as yourself is so against the Republican that didn't get all the glory (McClintock).

Of course, you have the right to say what you wish. Pardon me if I dismiss and ignore it. ;)

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But the best thing to do would have been to wait till his term was over and run a REAL election.

Yes, why couldn't people have *waited* until the real election and then voted Davis out to their heart's content? What was the use of the waste of money and time? Yes, I'm aware that there are recall supporters posting here; maybe they can explain again exactly what they accomplished by jumping the gun. I can tell you, whatever you think you accomplished, I see the fact that we have a bad movie actor voted in, and even though he claims to be Republican (and therefore gives the state to Bush), this gives Hollywood even more power, too, and that just disgusts me.
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#91 Kimmer

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 10:58 AM

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And I wonder how many people will move out of the state because of it. Gigi certainly was looking at the possibility.

We started planning to move out of CA during Davis' first time. We are still planning on leaving this state. Our biggest fear is that by the time we are able to move (hopefully by the end of 2004), our house won't be worth anything and we will be stuck in this state. :crazy:

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The "Official Canvass" will include some hand counts, but only of 1% the precincts, chosen at random.

I'm curious as to how they are going to perform the hand counts. The new touch screen machines that everyone said are so perfect, do NOT have a paper backup. The manufacturer admitted late last week that there was no way to recount the touch screens. I think the comment was along the lines of the machines/software was so great you didn't need a backup. There are already several states working on corrections to the software in these machines. I'm waiting for the ACLU to get into this whole mess.

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 04:50 PM

Just to let you all know, there *are* some of us who are dancing the happy dance today!


Here are the reasons why I think Ahnuld will do a good job.

1) The man has accomplished everything he has set out to do in his life.

2) The man has run his own business. Being a small business owner myself, I know how important it is to save money. I think Ahnuld will be the first person in a long time to eye everything the state does through that frugal business owner point of view.

#93 eechick

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 08:03 PM

Isn't Ahnold becoming governor one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

#94 Anakam

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 10:18 PM

^
I dunno...

But it's too bad I went to bed too early to see the great speech.  :pout:
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Posted 08 October 2003 - 10:50 PM

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Isn't Ahnold becoming governor one of the signs of the Apocalypse?

Feels like it. ;)

I find it... disquieting... that some politicians somewhere (can't say exactly whom [Orrin Hatch?]; I keep hearing rumors about this) are considering trying to push through an amendment that lets foreign-born politicians become President of the USA, due to Ah-nold's gubernatorial success in California. Um, sorry, I like the law as it is... only those actually born *here* can be President here. Can someone give me any *reasonable* reason why the law should be changed?
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#96 Kevin Street

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 10:55 PM

Norville, on Oct 8 2003, 09:50 PM, said:

I find it... disquieting... that some politicians somewhere (can't say exactly whom [Orrin Hatch?]; I keep hearing rumors about this) are considering trying to push through an amendment that lets foreign-born politicians become President of the USA, due to Ah-nold's gubernatorial success in California.
Y'know, I think that's a great idea. :ninja:

*goes off to amend his Evil Plan*

#97 GiGi

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Posted 08 October 2003 - 11:12 PM

eechick, on Oct 8 2003, 05:03 PM, said:

Isn't Ahnold becoming governor one of the signs of the Apocalypse?
It is around my house.  My hubby and two of my neighbors are now all sporting Ahnold fake accents... one of the neighbors takes it further and makes comments about women's breasts in a fake Ahnold accent.  :wacko:

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