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#21 Bad Wolf

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:13 PM

Drew, on Oct 24 2003, 02:09 PM, said:

Javert Rovinski, on Oct 24 2003, 03:57 PM, said:

-- It's Massachusets. Just how many members of the far-religious right are in that state? Ten? Eleven?
Twenty-seven, thanks to a recent desegregation program.
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#22 Kimmer

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:43 PM

Drew, on Oct 24 2003, 12:14 PM, said:

Been there, done that.
And do it every year in my Slice of Life Town™.  :(

For over 70 some years (and perhaps longer, but there aren't records or many folks alive who remember), there was always a nativity in front of city hall. Then a few years ago came the complaint from, IIRC, 6 people, that it was religious and the city shouldn't own it, put it up, nor maintain it. So the nativity was sold to a private party and he put it up and maintained it.

Next year, same 6 people complained that it shouldn't be on city property. So a compromise was worked out and the complainers were asked to contribute to the display. So we had nativity and a smurf holiday display.

Next year a few more things were added and soon we had this ecumenical display that was interesting, although a bit bizarre in some ways. :lol:

Then last year - no display. Seems too many folks complained that one or the other of the displays was offensive and they didn't want the XYZ display any longer ... so they city said, ENOUGH!

Now there are no displays, and the 89,950 of us in the town who LIKED the bizarre blend are left with bare lawn.  :(

I am  :eek: at the poinsettia flap - although I guess I shouldn't be. It has all become rule by the minority instead of majority.

I'm waiting for the city to pass a law that I can't put up a nativity in my yard.  :glare:

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:50 PM

Your yard is your private property.  An ordinance like that would clearly interfere with your right to religious expression.

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:54 PM

Drew, on Oct 24 2003, 02:13 PM, said:

Twenty-seven, thanks to a recent desegregation program.
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 04:56 PM

Drew, on Oct 24 2003, 02:09 PM, said:

Javert Rovinski, on Oct 24 2003, 03:57 PM, said:

-- It's Massachusets. Just how many members of the far-religious right are in that state? Ten? Eleven?
Twenty-seven, thanks to a recent desegregation program.
ROTFLMAO!  :cool:  :wacko:  :p  :lol:
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 05:09 PM

I have to agree with Drew and Rov.  This sounds like the work of a different bunch of idiots. ;)  

the'Hawk, on Oct 24 2003, 04:16 PM, said:

Show me a holiday that isn't watered down commercialism. Show me a holiday that doesn't meet with my cynicism and contempt. And I will celebrate with you.
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 06:51 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 24 2003, 02:50 PM, said:

Your yard is your private property.  An ordinance like that would clearly interfere with your right to religious expression.
Perhaps we need you to come to my Slice of Life Town™ and chat with the city council and city attorney. ;)

There are several laws here about what you may and may not do on your property. Most stem from complaints by neighbors.  :suspect:

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 06:58 PM

^

Well I have a feeling that bull burning and sacrifices might not be quite as...um...protected...;)
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 08:20 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 24 2003, 04:58 PM, said:

Well I have a feeling that bull burning and sacrifices might not be quite as...um...protected...;)
So that's what my neighbors are doing in that monsterous RV that has been parked in the street in front of MY house (instead of theirs). How long does this "bull burning" stuff take anyhow? The RV has been here since this past April. :glare:


kimmer - who needs to research for the info on the stuff you can do at holiday's and such in her Slice of Life Town™


PS: I should tell you that the opposite of the entire nativity thing is the town Christmas Tree. It's always been sponsored and paid for the local newspaper. They bring in a monster tree from the Shasta Mountains, the firemen decorate it, and we have a real old-fashioned tree lighting ceremony, complete with carol's, hot cocoa, and lots of other stuff. Thousands pack downtown for this event. Just don't go near City Hall.  :wacko:

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 08:33 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 24 2003, 07:58 PM, said:

^

Well I have a feeling that bull burning and sacrifices might not be quite as...um...protected...;)
Well, there went my Halloween. :devil:  :lol:  :lol:  ;)
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#31 Bad Wolf

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 08:50 PM

LOL!

Well DWF, there's always the back yard...;)

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 08:59 PM

Drew, on Oct 24 2003, 07:14 PM, said:

There was a major flap in St. Paul a couple years ago because City Hall was decorated with poinsettias. Some people complained that these flowers were a religious symbol and must be removed. Eventually a compromise was reached: white poinsettias were allowed, but red ones were forbidden. Apparently it's just the red ones that are religious. :sarcasm:

Actually, it's been recently verified that red poinsettias are indeed more religious.  A recently released longitudinal study, involving thousands of both red and white poinsettias over a five-year period, and conducted according to rigorous scientific methodology, shows that 78.3% of red poinsettias attend church regularly, compared to only 15.6% of white poinsettias. In addition,  91.8 % of red poinsettias indicated a belief in a divine creator, as opposed to only 49.2% of white poinsettias.

Several poinsettias interviewed expressed dismay over the lack of inclusion shown by their exclusion from public events, and one red poinsettia, speaking on condition of anonymity, expressed deep concern for the fate of some distant relatives, a group of jack-in-the-pulpits planted in a park, who were last seen being forceably uprooted by the local chapter of Fraternal Fellowship of Faith-Free Florals.  A number of white poinsettias also were interviewed, but their  concerns were pale in comparison.

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Sorry, folks.....it's been a  :eek2:  week......

And now, for an unusually cynical comment from Peridot... :rolleyes:

As far as the principal of the school mentioned goes, she may or  may not be an extremist.  Some people are just balloon-poppers, plain and simple.  Something looks like fun, and they'll find a way to put a glitch in it somehow, whether it's in the name of inclusion, or exclusion, or the purity of the King's English..... :rolleyes:   Obviously, I don't know her....but I do know that kind of maneuver----or do I mean manure?  :blink:

Seriously, though.....

My sincere applause to kimmer's teacher, and others like her, whose instincts for kindness and real sharing lead them to act in ways that really are inclusive.  Thank for the little story, kimmer....

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:08 PM

^ ROFL!!!

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:21 PM

What I want to know is how in the name of the Divine Peridot got MY scoop on the Poinsettia Interview????????? :glare:

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:40 PM

kimmer, on Oct 24 2003, 05:20 PM, said:

PS: I should tell you that the opposite of the entire nativity thing is the town Christmas Tree. It's always been sponsored and paid for the local newspaper. They bring in a monster tree from the Shasta Mountains, the firemen decorate it, and we have a real old-fashioned tree lighting ceremony, complete with carol's, hot cocoa, and lots of other stuff. Thousands pack downtown for this event. Just don't go near City Hall.  :wacko:
Kimmer, I would rather see plastic images of mother and child (and others) than to see the murdering of old beautiful trees.

I guess I was way too influenced by Hans Christian Anderson's "Little Christmas Tree" story than was probably healthy for a little girl!

Actually when I grew up we had an artificial tree.  We  now have a living Christmas tree in a pot that is in the yard all year and brought in only at Christmas time.  (yet another pagan tradition  ;) )

But these are really universal symbols.  I have written articles on these also....
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 10:30 PM

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Phrases like "not inclusive" and "serve the needs of all students" sound more like idocy from the far left, not the far right.

Yes, it's total "political correctness". Well, this Western-type tradition leaves some non-Western students feeling left out, so instead of being sensible and letting them share some of their culture with us, we must ban the Western-type tradition... because it's Western-type, part of the society that must be destroyed, because it's "dead white male"... that sort of crud.

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Seems too many folks complained that one or the other of the displays was offensive

I remember a word apparently coined by Berkeley Breathed, who used to do the wonderfully twisted strip "Bloom County" -- "Offensensitivity." (Opus the Penguin was at a bus stop. Someone came over to him, said "Your nose offends me." Other people joined them, and everyone was proclaiming that something about the other person offended him/her. Suddenly, they stopped, gasped "My gosh... LIFE is offensive!" and all ran screaming away. Opus noted: "Offensensitivity.")

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Your yard is your private property. An ordinance like that would clearly interfere with your right to religious expression.

Then what's with the cases where I could've sworn I heard that people were "offended" by the religious expression in someone's yard, so they had to take down whatever it was? I know I've heard of those...

:lol: @ Massachusetts comment and the poinsettia "interview". Thanks for levity in a thread about lunacy. ;)
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 11:47 PM

^ ^

You're welcome.... ;)....I value genuine inclusion very highly, so stuff along the "let's ban this" lines just drives me nutso sometimes! :wacko:

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 25 2003, 02:21 AM, said:

What I want to know is how in the name of the Divine Peridot got MY scoop on the Poinsettia Interview????????? :glare:

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Posted 25 October 2003 - 12:26 AM

Godeskian, on Oct 24 2003, 12:58 PM, said:

question, does anyone here still comemerate all hallow's eve? (and if you don't know the difference between it and Halloween, then the odds that you don't)

I call it Samhain, but yeah.

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Posted 25 October 2003 - 03:13 AM

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question, does anyone here still comemerate all hallow's eve? (and if you don't know the difference between it and Halloween, then the odds that you don't

I do Samhain as well. I'm not a Pagan, but I used to have a couple of Pagan friends, and I think it's good to get back to the heart of a festival the Church just slapped in to bring in the Pagan crowds to Church.

I can remember last year in England the "Christian Aid" shops wern't allowed to put up Christmas decorations for fear that it would be offensive. In a CHRISTIAN aid shop! It's a world gone mad.
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Posted 25 October 2003 - 04:20 AM

Honestly, I really have a hard time celebrating any holidays at all. I haven't been involved in anything Halloween related since I was 7 and aside from the lack of school my family had pretty much given up on putting any effort into the various holiday seasons by the time I hit puberty for a variety of reasons. Although I remember July 4th because it was my adoptive grandfather's(and the man who raised me's) birthday and I have active loathing for Valentine's Day. But other than that they are pretty blah to me.
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