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#1 Blondie

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 12:17 AM

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LUBBOCK, Texas  — Authorities in three West Texas counties have strict orders for sex offenders this Halloween: Go home, turn out your lights and don't answer your door.

On Friday, convicted sex offenders whose victims were children and who are on probation must be home by 6 p.m.

Officers in Lubbock, Potter and Tom Green counties will check on the 100 or so men and women throughout the night as part of Project Lights Out.

"It's good to know they are putting sex offenders on notice," said Margaret Crawford, who planned to take her 8-year-old son out to collect candy and treats. "I think that's a top priority for any parent."

Well...I've got mixed feelings about this.  I know from a psychological standpoint that pedophiles are almost impossible to cure, but many of these offenders really want to put their past behind them.  They did the time or whatever their sentence was...why continue to be punished.

Hmm....

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 12:45 AM

Well, if these people were convicted of offenses that had them actually with a child carrying out their acts, I think it's perfectly appropriate.  The relapse rate is high enough that having them stay indoors and away from children is probably not overkill.  On the other hand, for people convicted of something lesser, like having downloaded kiddie porn, but who never acted out, it might be a bit of overkill.  Still, even for the latter, there's always a first time.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 01:07 AM

Where I stand on this is that if you want to punish sex offenders for the rest of their lives, then by all means, make it a mandatory life sentance with no parole.  I won't object.

IF however, tptb insist that the appropriate punishment is LESS than that then guess what?  They're out because the punishment is done.  To keep punishing them is hypocritical.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 02:51 AM

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On Friday, convicted sex offenders whose victims were children and who are on probation must be home by 6 p.m.

I think that's the key point here (aside from the psychological aspect that THP mentioned).  These people aren't "free" yet.  They are still technically serving their time.  I don't have any objection to this at all.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:01 AM

Probation is not jail.  If, as a condition of granting probation *in the first place* tptb want to place this kind of restriction then sure.

To impose it after the fact is additional punishment.

I'm not saying I want these people on the streets.  As far as I'm concerned they should be locked up forever.  But if the system says that less than that is sufficient punishment then that's what it says.

I guess my point is that this problem is being approached the wrong way.  It's not up to cities to punish criminals, it's up to the judicial system and if there needs to be a different punishment then the change needs to happen in the judicial system.

This business of municipalities imposing further punishment smacks of mob rule and vigilante justice.

Next thing you know they'll be burning people out or stringing them up.:(
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:07 AM

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Honestly, I agree with you.  I guess I just don't see the purpose of giving convicted pedophiles the benefit of . . .well, anything.  I too think they should never again see the light of day, but I don't see this as further punishment.  It's taking measures to protect the kids from known dangers.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:14 AM

"taking measures" in this case and in my mind=taking the law into ones' own hands.

I understand why they would do it too.  I just don't agree that it's the right answer.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:28 AM

I think I would understand that better if it were a civilian watch group saying "Stay in or else," but it's not.  I don't see how any of this constitutes vigilante justice.

Also, if ordering the sex offenders to stay in their homes isn't the right answer, what would be?

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:34 AM

Because it's not the people who imposed the punishment in the first place.  As I said, if, for example, the prison system wanted to impose a curfew and lights out on certain days (like Halloween) as a condition precedent to probation I wouldn't have a problem with that in the least.  But that's not what's happened here.  Here, law enforcement in these counties has decided to go beyond what the justice system said was the right punishment and impose further conditions.


But really I think the real answer is to never let them out of jail in the first place.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 03:57 AM

Well, we agree on that, at least. ;)

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 08:19 AM

This is just wrong!

I agree with what Lil said. (I know, shocking isn't it)

Pedophiles, IMO, should be locked up for life...no parole, period the end.

However, if they are out and on probation, unless that probation specifically says: "Stay away from children" then there really is nothing the City can legally do.

Also, answering ones own door IS NOT a crime. The City, Police, ect DO NOT have the authority to tell a person, even a Pedophile, to not answer the door.

If they want to put a sign up, just in front of the property, warning people that the person living there is a convicted Pedophile...Be my guest. I've no objection to that. But to tell them not to answer their own door is just B.S.
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Posted 30 October 2003 - 08:25 AM

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Well, as I understand it, staying away from kids *is* part of their probation.  Often they are required to stay so-and-so distance away from schools, playgrounds, etc.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 11:55 PM

Gaiate, on Oct 30 2003, 09:25 AM, said:

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Well, as I understand it, staying away from kids *is* part of their probation.  Often they are required to stay so-and-so distance away from schools, playgrounds, etc.

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And I'm all for that.

But what are they suppose to do if a child knocks on their door? They are technically already breaking their parole merely by the kid coming up and knocking on the door.

And to my knowledge, there is no legal law that allows cops to tell someone "You can't answer your own door and you MUST turn out your lights."

Edited by LORD of the SWORD, 30 October 2003 - 11:57 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2003 - 11:57 PM

LORD of the SWORD, on Oct 30 2003, 05:19 AM, said:

This is just wrong!

I agree with what Lil said. (I know, shocking isn't it)
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And I agree with everything else you said too.

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Posted 31 October 2003 - 01:27 PM

Una Salus Lillius, on Oct 30 2003, 01:34 AM, said:

Because it's not the people who imposed the punishment in the first place.  As I said, if, for example, the prison system wanted to impose a curfew and lights out on certain days (like Halloween) as a condition precedent to probation I wouldn't have a problem with that in the least.  But that's not what's happened here.  Here, law enforcement in these counties has decided to go beyond what the justice system said was the right punishment and impose further conditions.


But really I think the real answer is to never let them out of jail in the first place.
I'm with Lil. Keep them in prison for life. Pedophiles have an alarmingly high rate of repeat offenses.  Lock 'em up and throw away the key.

And I believe, Lil, that as terms of probation, most of them have to stay away from areas frequented by children (and that sure ought to included participating in trick-or-treat!).
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Posted 31 October 2003 - 01:29 PM

As far as going to malls or something I agree, but if you live in an urban area the odds are high kids will be coming round anyway

most people can't back 120 feet into their own house without ending up in their neighbours garden

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