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#1 Perpetual Malcontent

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 05:58 AM

So Mattel has this new doll out that is loosely based on witchcraft.  I am studying a wiccan coven and found this doll interesting.  I was surprised at the amount of controversy surrounding the doll.  What are your thoughts?

http://www.mailorder....html#ac=101675


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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:18 AM

I think that Mattell must be full of idiots if they thought that this wouldn't be controversial.  I don't know if the dolls have anything at all to do with Wicca (probably not), but any perception of an occult connection prompts a strong and immediate knee-jerk reaction from certain quarters within this country.

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:22 AM

I think that is the response Mattel wants.  I don't think this doll has much at all to do with kids.  How many anti-christian fundamentalists will go out and buy these dolls just to annoy the fundamentalists?  How much advertisement is Mattel getting from those who love and hate the doll?  I don't think it is any evil corporate plan to convert anyone to witchcraft, I think it is a way to play opposing groups against each other.
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:33 AM

Wow, Senar, you're posting. I haven't seen this in a while, nixce to have you back around.
After looking at the link, my first thought was, "it's pink". The more articulate response is that this has about as much to do with real occult practices as the "magic wands" used in an off Vegas magic act but that won't stop a kneejerk response from the same elements that always make a kneejerk response.
Having met actual people who say they are practicing Wicca and other neopagans I'd say this is just generic enough to offend everyone involved but the misc secular buyer it was aimed at who will have no clue what all the fuss is about.
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:42 AM

I've been crazy busy.  I should be asleep now, but this whole thing just pissed me off enough that I can't sleep.  I come by now and again when I have a few minutes.  One day, in theory, life will slow down a bit.   :D
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 08:00 AM

It looks to me like, they're trying to cash in on a Charmed crossover. :unsure:  :eh:
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 09:30 AM

Yay Senar posting! Especially in OT! :wub:

More on point: It's brilliant. Witchcraft-- or at least a watered down superficial version of it-- has been mainstreamed. Look no farther than "Charmed" or "Buffy" for proof. Mattel should make a fair bit of money off of this, and those who are complaining about it are only giving free publicity.
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 10:05 AM

DWF, on Nov 2 2003, 07:00 AM, said:

It looks to me like, they're trying to cash in on a Charmed crossover. :unsure:  :eh:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

But, hey, how about some equal-opportunity tastelessness! I want to see Charismatic Barbie with Hand-Raising Action! Pull the string and listen to five different sayings! (All in tongues, of course, so you'd better buy Charistmatic Midge who comes with the Gift of Interpretation!)


Hmm. Now that I think about it, there's gotta be a market for a "Thoroughly Modern Mullah" Barbie, too.  :cool:

Edited by Drew, 02 November 2003 - 10:11 AM.

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 12:53 PM

I don't understand the fundamentalist outcry for these kinds of things . . . It's a barbie doll with a magic wand.  What's the big deal?  How many other magical beings and mythical "occult" things have been on Children's toy shelves for decades without all the griping?  Fairies, Unicorns, talking animals, etc.

So when are they going to have bible-beater barbie who shouts insults at anyone outside of her narrow-minded world view?  They could sell accessories such as protest signs, and a congressional lobbying agenda.

:rolleyes:

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 12:58 PM

Drew, on Nov 2 2003, 09:05 AM, said:

But, hey, how about some equal-opportunity tastelessness! I want to see Charismatic Barbie with Hand-Raising Action! Pull the string and listen to five different sayings! (All in tongues, of course, so you'd better buy Charistmatic Midge who comes with the Gift of Interpretation!)


Hmm. Now that I think about it, there's gotta be a market for a "Thoroughly Modern Mullah" Barbie, too.  :cool:
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 03:50 PM

What bugs me about the commercial I've seen for this is that the "sorceress" dolls are said to be casting spells for things like money and love -- just the kind of personal-gain things that are no-nos in Charmed.  It seems like a corrupting form of power.
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#12 Drew

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 04:07 PM

"Spells are hard!"

Hey, what else is Barbie gonna cast a spell about?
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 04:12 PM

Nick, on Nov 2 2003, 10:53 AM, said:

So when are they going to have bible-beater barbie who shouts insults at anyone outside of her narrow-minded world view?  They could sell accessories such as protest signs, and a congressional lobbying agenda.

:rolleyes:

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This is one I would hate to see come out. It would probably cause too much of a generalized look at christians.

I don't see a problem with the Charmed Girl Barbie. It's just a doll.    :cool:

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 04:21 PM

The big irony here is that a lot (perhaps most) practising Wiccans and neopagans tend to be "alternative lifestylers", to whom the idea of buying from a corporate megalith which uses sweatshop labour would be anathema.  

They'd do better, IMO, to go for the utterly brilliant Feral Cheryl from Australia.   :wacko:

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If you check out her page, it seems she's into "Celtic mysticism" and "making her own incense and herbal potions", too - yowza!  :yin-yang:
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:06 PM

Why are we acting like this doll has anything to do with witches or witchcraft? It's a fairy! That's a completely different thing!

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 06:27 PM

^^^A Fairy without wings?

You know I could see there beinga problem with Voodoo Barbie, complete with a cigar and her chicken and Vodka bottle, but not this Charm Girl Barbie.

And of course there's Rov's favorite, Pizza Delivery Barbie, she's a red head and comes complete with a two liter bottle of root beer, and a large pizza. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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#17 Perpetual Malcontent

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Posted 02 November 2003 - 07:33 PM

I'm studying a coven and frankly they are nothing like this doll, but when has Barbie ever been like a real woman regardless of who she is representing?
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Posted 02 November 2003 - 09:56 PM

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But, hey, how about some equal-opportunity tastelessness! I want to see Charismatic Barbie with Hand-Raising Action! Pull the string and listen to five different sayings! (All in tongues, of course, so you'd better buy Charistmatic Midge who comes with the Gift of Interpretation!)

:lol: You've forgotten the Snake Action, testing one's faith by getting snakebitten. ;)

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Hmm. Now that I think about it, there's gotta be a market for a "Thoroughly Modern Mullah" Barbie, too. :cool:

Mujahideen Barbie! No, that would have to be Ken, armed with machine guns or rocket launchers. Barbie would need to wear a burqa. (Or there could be Jihadi Ken, complete with boxcutters.)

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Posted 03 November 2003 - 01:42 AM

I don't really see how this doll is offesive.

It has less to do with Wicca or other neo-pagan groups then that new 'brother bear' movie that's now out, or less the Harry Potter.
It looks like something you could say 'this was Cinderella's fairy godmother' about, or something like that

And the people who have that knee-jerk OHMYGODITSMAGICEVILEVILEVIL type reaction I just don't care for anyway, and I'm happy they remain a minority.  They may be a lot more vocal than I would care for them to be, but I really can't control that (nor should I, really, but that's a whole new issue)
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Posted 03 November 2003 - 09:18 AM

Nikcara, on Nov 3 2003, 12:42 AM, said:

And the people who have that knee-jerk OHMYGODITSMAGICEVILEVILEVIL type reaction I just don't care for anyway, and I'm happy they remain a minority.
So . . . has there been this kind of reaction? Because aside from the link to the actual product above, I'd have never heard of this thing.

Or are we staging a pre-emptive strike against those who might express offense?
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