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Post icon  Posted 03 March 2003 - 06:48 AM

Four more very good eps.

The Serpent's Venom
The Curse
Chain Reaction
2010

The Serpent's Venom has Teal'c being tortured, and a set up for the fourth season finale. The Curse introduces us to Osiris, which also set things up for the next season. 2010 is the first Aschen ep., and is a prequel to the fifth season ep. 2001. And Chain Reaction has Hammond stepping down, as planned move by the NID, to replace him with somebody they can control, this ep. also has Kinsey and Maybourne in it. :cool:

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The Aschen are slated to return in the seventh season.

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Posted 03 March 2003 - 04:32 PM

This looks like a strong lineup and is the last batch of unseen SG1 episodes for me. I should be caught up after this one. I caught the very tail end of S4 which is a extremely cool episodes. This and and next week are going to be more fun than usual.

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Posted 03 March 2003 - 08:19 PM

I spent the weekend watching the first two seasons on DVD. I am now imersed, and plan to watch these Mondy night broadcast till I'm caught up. Damn, that was some weekend.
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Posted 04 March 2003 - 01:58 AM

All are good episodes.

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Post icon  Posted 04 March 2003 - 02:41 AM

Kosh, on Mar 3 2003, 12:16 PM, said:

I spent the weekend watching the first two seasons on DVD. I am now imersed, and plan to watch these Mondy night broadcast till I'm caught up. Damn, that was some weekend.

WOW! :eek2: :eek: I'd like to know what you think of the first seasons, maybe in a different thread though. :thumbs-up:
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Posted 04 March 2003 - 04:10 PM

I think the favorite of the bunch was The Curse. It was a really strong Daniel episode and explained a lot of the Osiris from later for me. Of course, how could you not love Jack selling his soul to the devil and Maybourne in Chain Reaction. I love those two guys together. Then again 2010 hurt to watch the end but Stargate doesn't let me down cause I know it pays off later. They are cool that way. That just leaves one that didn't do much for me but now I know where the guy comes in from The Warrior as he was set up here. Nice to see again that they carry things thru.
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Posted 04 March 2003 - 05:26 PM

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"The Curse:" This was another one I somehow managed to miss in syndication. It's a bit of a shame that I already knew how it turned out, with Sarah becoming Osiris. Except I didn't know she was Osiris all along. I guess that explains why she was so interested in finding evidence to confirm Daniel's theories -- Osiris was really looking for info on what had happened with the Goa'uld since he was trapped.

Overall, this wasn't one of the best episodes, I think. The story was okay but not brilliant, and that buried Goa'uld ship seemed a bit convenient (why didn't Hathor have access to one of those?). But Anna-Louise Plowman is a captivating woman. Lovely face, beautiful voice which she wields with skill an theatricality, and tall!! :wub: I regret we've only seen her in two episodes (AFAIK) since this.

"The Serpent's Venom:" Not bad. Seen it before, but forgotten -- good to see how Rak'nor got his start as a rebel. I guess he finally caught on -- the truth speaks for itself; only liars and cowards need to torture people into believing them. But I find "let's put the hero through extreme torture and prove how tough he is" stories a bit gratuitous at times; and the torturer's lines were almost incomprehensible through the Goa'uld voice treatment. (It's not just a deepening of the voice; there's a bit of a warbling distortion as well, at least during the fourth season.)

The subplot with the mine was an interesting techie piece -- rather clever to have a free-flying mine inside the ship and have to maneuver the ship to match its movements. But wasn't it convenient that the mine happened to be just small enough to fit in the teleport rings? ;) And I don't buy that a culture would add zero to a numeral system by redefining each digit so that 1 became 0, 2 became 1, etc. They'd be more likely to add a new zero symbol.

I'm increasingly feeling that the character of Jacob Carter has been grossly underused for years. All he ever is anymore is the spokesman for the Tok'ra, the one Tok'ra everyone likes. He comes along and says "this is the mission" or saves SG-1 or whatever. They don't do anything anymore about his relationship with Sam. They don't explore how his past as an Air Force general and an Earthling might clash with the worldview and agendas of the Tok'ra. And whatever happened to Selmak's wry sense of humor? We hardly ever hear from Selmak anymore, and when we do s/he's just a deepened voice spouting exposition. I think this is maybe the greatest creative failing of the show -- their total failure to do anything interesting with Jacob/Selmak since they were joined.

"Chain Reaction:" Another okay-but-not-favorite episode. The stuff with Jack, Maybourne, Kinsey and the NID seemed a little basic and unfocussed. Or maybe "methodical" is the word. It served to push forward a few plot points: Maybourne escapes, Kinsey's NID ties are revealed. But there's not much more to it than that, aside from some cute touches like "Starsky & Hutch." The way Jack arranges the escape from Kinsey's home is clever, though of course it backfires, since Jack basically set Kinsey's presidential run in motion here. (Kinsey did seem genuinely surprised at the reporter's suggestion.)

Actually there are some implausible parts here, some things that are just too easy. I have trouble believing the President would release someone convicted of capital treason just to do a favor for Jack & Hammond. And the NID backing down just because of some blackmail files... I don't know, it might work, but it seems a little too pat.

Although maybe their retreat had more to do with the near-disastrous consequences of their naquadah-bomb project. They and General Bauer lost all credibility with that one. As for Bauer, I wish he'd been more interesting and ambiguous as a character, less of an outright jerk, but I guess the plot called for a replacement who was too hard-line and blind and arbitrary, because he was really just an NID dupe.

"2010" was an interesting one, though I wish it'd had time to explore the post-Aschen world more fully. This is our one glimpse of a world where the Stargate is public knowledge, where contact with other worlds has altered our society rather than being hidden from it. Science fiction should be about exploring the social and human consequences of scientific progress, but too many SFTV shows insist on insulating society from knowledge that would change the status quo.

Also I wonder if the Aschen were really all bad. They went too far, but up to a point they were right -- our population is already too high, and if we ever want to prolong our lifespans by a considerable degree, we will absolutely have to accept much stricter birth control. Well, okay, clearly the Aschen went about it in a nasty way, keeping it secret, basically sterilizing most of the population; and in "2001" we get to see the ultimate consequences they're aiming for, a small, backward, subjugated population with its old knowledge lost. But the issue of population control is not a simple black-and-white one, and it bothered me that this episode painted something which is very socially responsible, the regulation of population growth on an overpopulated planet, as something unambiguously evil. It would've been a stronger story if the issue had been portrayed as less clear-cut, with good arguments on both sides.

Also, nobody really looked ten years older. Okay, that's due to the anti-aging vaccine, but it still made it harder to believe this was set in the future. And there was no chemistry between Carter and her husband.

Okay, so none of these was bad, all reasonably entertaining, but they all had things that didn't quite work for me.
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Posted 05 March 2003 - 12:20 AM

What really annoys me about 2010 is the tech.

In 1969 they set up a theory of time travel consistant with the one used in Andromeda until season 2.5, but in 2010 they disregarded that. Also, I have a hard time believing that they had enough information on time travel to set up a wormhole going back in time. In 1969, they basically did what ADDB did; try to retrace the route that got them there to get back. It's a lot easier than doing it deliberately, for example, they used flares on the opposite side of the sun from each other to go forward instead of back. They don't have an initial flare to use here, so it sounds like they're using a flare opposite themselves. There was none of the time dependence here, so it didn't matter when the note went into the wormhole, it'd come out ten years ago.

Another quibble: wouldn't there be an easier way to get a message through? Ok, so the automatic defenses would get a rock. A person's a lot bigger target the a rock. Take out as many of the guns as possible, then throw multiple rocks with messages through.

Why do you need to do it from Earth anyway? Use a different, less heavily guarded stargate on a different planet, go through yourselves, then dial Earth and send a message the usual way.

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Posted 05 March 2003 - 01:12 AM

DWF, on Mar 4 2003, 01:38 AM, said:

Kosh, on Mar 3 2003, 12:16 PM, said:

I spent the weekend watching the first two seasons on DVD. I am now imersed, and plan to watch these Mondy night broadcast till I'm caught up. Damn, that was some weekend.

WOW! :eek2: :eek: I'd like to know what you think of the first seasons, maybe in a different thread though. :thumbs-up:

I'll start another one when I have more time. Lets just say that I get it now.

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Gvambat, on Mar 4 2003, 04:17 PM, said:

What really annoys me about 2010 is the tech.

In 1969 they set up a theory of time travel consistant with the one used in Andromeda until season 2.5, but in 2010 they disregarded that. Also, I have a hard time believing that they had enough information on time travel to set up a wormhole going back in time. In 1969, they basically did what ADDB did; try to retrace the route that got them there to get back. It's a lot easier than doing it deliberately, for example, they used flares on the opposite side of the sun from each other to go forward instead of back. They don't have an initial flare to use here, so it sounds like they're using a flare opposite themselves. There was none of the time dependence here, so it didn't matter when the note went into the wormhole, it'd come out ten years ago.

Another quibble: wouldn't there be an easier way to get a message through? Ok, so the automatic defenses would get a rock. A person's a lot bigger target the a rock. Take out as many of the guns as possible, then throw multiple rocks with messages through.

Why do you need to do it from Earth anyway? Use a different, less heavily guarded stargate on a different planet, go through yourselves, then dial Earth and send a message the usual way.

I miss Andromeda tech.

The reason why they couldn't use another planet's stargate, is because, they'd only be able to time travel, on the planet they're, I would have to think. I was under the impression that, they were trying to slingshot around the sun, much like how they time traveled in Star Trek IV: TUV.
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Posted 05 March 2003 - 02:09 AM

Gvambat, on Mar 4 2003, 04:17 PM, said:

Why do you need to do it from Earth anyway? Use a different, less heavily guarded stargate on a different planet, go through yourselves, then dial Earth and send a message the usual way.

I guess that wouldn't have worked because they needed the Aschen computer core to calculate exactly when the flare would be. The core on Earth was the only one Sam had access to, so they had to use Earth's sun and Earth's gate.

Besides, I think the way it worked in "1969" was that the flare caused the wormhole to bounce back to the same Stargate at an earlier time. They were heading out to an alien planet, but got reflected back to the same gate they'd left through, but 30 years earlier. So if they wanted the message to come out of the SGC gate in 2000, they had to send it through the same gate. (Presumably in this timeline that gate, the Beta gate, was never destroyed because the Aschen beat the Goa'uld before Anubis launched his attack.)
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Posted 05 March 2003 - 09:19 AM

That's how I understood the explaination as well Christopher. They had to use Earth's gate both for the fact that Carter only had access to detailed solar flare information about Earth's Sun from the Aschen computer system and that dialing in from another planet would have resulted in the message arriving at the gate on that planet, thus lessening the chance that the earlier stargate command would ever find it.
They explained it as the intial wormhole bouncing back from a solar flare causing the wormhole to tunnel back in time to the intial point of origin. Here, they had access to the Aschen's data and computers to calculate as many parameters as needed to ensure that the timehole would arrive back when they needed it.
I thought they could have executed the assault better, more efficient taking out of the automated defences and the like but they were well out of practice and this was a pretty slapdash affair.
As for changing the past, that future might not even be "our" SGC's future. We already know that there are many, many alternate timelines with SGC's and this could have been a situation where traveling in time won't get you to your universe but a parallel one that is effectively identical up until the branching event. From the episode's I've seen its not clear if the world of 2010 was "our" SGC or not.

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Posted 05 March 2003 - 05:26 PM

^I would think that the assumption is that it IS "our" SGC. If it isn't, then there's more than a movement in time - it's not like they're going through the quantum mirror or something like that.

Although it was a "neat" episode with lots to think about, I do think that they broke their own rules. In "1969", they moved along a single timeline - the first time through going "forward", Hammond already knew what was going to happen. Technically, he couldn't be sure of complete success, because he only knew of their trip to his time and the assumption that they could use the same method to get back. This time, they went back to change something that had already happened - a very different scenario. Granted, they didn't try anything drastic in "1969", like killing Hammond to see what would happen, but everything felt very "pre-destined".

I wonder if they changed the pronounciation of the aliens' names. Jack said "ASHen" several times and it was very clear that Carter's lines were dubbed over on sentences where she said "ashEN". Maybe RDA wasn't available for looping (which would explain that episode where the Tok'ra appeared, but only spoke in their "human" voices - they were only available for the primary shoot).

The sterilization issue - very interesting. You'd have to wonder why humans agreed to it (though overpopulation could kill us as easily as an alien attack - maybe SG-1 would have killed us in the end by not controlling population growth) - or why they didn't monitor it at all. And Joe didn't tell Sam about that - or even suspect that she was one of those who had been affected? Interesting, too, that they didn't give more info in the note - maybe it was inevitable that they'd meet the Ashen and if they didn't make the connection with P29XXX or whatever, they wouldn't know what to be careful of (I haven't seen 2001 yet).

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Posted 10 March 2003 - 07:20 PM

Late to the party, as always.

I really liked this batch.

The Curse - the most blah of the bunch - not bad, but nothing really stands out, either.

Serpent's Venom - what can you say about Chris judge? WOW! I love this guy - he never fails to put in a great performance, and like Leonard Nimoy, it's amazing what he does with such a self-contained character.

Chain Reaction - I liked this one. I also liked Jack's acknowledgement at the end of it about the iffy means he used to secure General Hammond's return and what it meant to him personally.

2010 - One of my favorite episodes, period. I like the glimpse into a possible future where everyone goes gaga over a technologically superior race who offer to help wipe out the Go'a'uld. I loved Jacks' pond ("no pesky fish") and his grouchiness. Did anyone else get the feeling that something happened between Jack and Sam, and that he lost her to the ambassador. He was certainly surly. The ending didn't fail to disappoint.
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Posted 14 March 2003 - 12:05 AM

The Curse: Not bad at all. I was kinda dissapointed that Sarah got posessed...I liked her. I also liked Daniel's "I actually think I'm getting used to that thing." Everyone's a Danny-whumper, poor thing. And I like episodes with Dr. Frasier. (WHY the heck isn't Teryl Rothery a main character by now?!?)

Serpent's Venom: Good. Made great by "Who did you say you were?" "Uh, the great and powerful Oz"

Chain Reaction: Pretty disquieting...the NID are good villians. Mayborne is a rat. :glare: I love the bit with Jack and General Hammond's children. :cool:

2010: The best ep of SG-1 I've seen. :D Just...perfect. The ending allways tenses me up and leaves me nervous and jumpy. :wacko:
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Posted 14 March 2003 - 12:06 AM

The Curse: Not bad at all. I was kinda dissapointed that Sarah got posessed...I liked her. I also liked Daniel's "I actually think I'm getting used to that thing." Everyone's a Danny-whumper, poor thing. And I like episodes with Dr. Frasier. (WHY the heck isn't Teryl Rothery a main character by now?!?)

Serpent's Venom: Good. Made great by "Who did you say you were?" "Uh, the great and powerful Oz"

Chain Reaction: Pretty disquieting...the NID are good villians. Mayborne is a rat. :glare: I love the bit with Jack and General Hammond's children. :cool:

2010: The best ep of SG-1 I've seen. :D Just...perfect. The ending allways tenses me up and leaves me nervous and jumpy. :wacko:

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