I need some Stargate help, This one's a challenge... Options

[Captain Jack]

I've been really into Stargate in the last two season's, and I am playing catch-up now in a way. One thing that I am really wondering is, how many G'ould leaders have appeared in the series? What are their names, and what's their history? Who's dead, and who's not yet dead? I know these are huge questions, but I am hoping maybe they can all, or at least be mostly answered in time. Thanks a bunch for reading

Go Stargate!

[tennyson]

Where to begin, so far on the series we have seen Apophis, Hathor, Nirrti, Sokar, Set or Seth, Morrigan, Marduk, Savrog, Anubis, Osiris, Isis, Bastet, Kali, Moloch, Mot, Thoth, Cronus, Ba'al, Heru-Ur, Olukun, Pelops, Amatersatsu, Camulus and Lord Yu off the top of my head.

Of those mentioned, Apophis, Hathor, Nirrti, Sokar, Set, Marduk, Osiris, Isis, Moloch, Cronus and Heru-Ur are confirmed dead. I'm willing to field questions about history but I would rather my answers to be response to specific questions because thier is a lot of history to cover.

[Han]

I'm in the same situation, playing catch-up as well. From what I've seen:

Ra - Sun God, dead, killed in the movie
Apophis - God of the underworld, dead
Baal - system lord, still alive
Anubis - system lord, dead
Hathor - goddess of fertility, inebreity and music, dead
Haro'ur - god of something..son of Ra?, dead
Sokar - system lord, dead, Apophis then took over his territory
Nierti - evil scientist, dead
Lord Yu - supposedly one of the first emperors of China, still alive
Camulus - Celtic god, (Steve Bacic)
Cronos - greek god, dead
Tanith - dead
Osiris - dead (kinda)
Seth - dead
(Japanese goddess goa'uld) - still alive

that's about all I remember off the top of my head.

This post has been edited by Hankuang: Oct 15 2004, 01:49 AM

[tennyson]

That was the one I forgot Tanith, I didn't think of him as a leader so I didn't mention him and then thier is that Mayan god named one Zipacna. The Japanese goddess one is Amateratsu, goddess of the sun.

[Godeskian]

as a sidenote, given how much els he survived, I doubt i'll ever be truly convinced of Apophis' death.

[Captain Jack]

Doesn't seem like there are a lot of System Lords left alive. Still curious of their history. What I mean is, a lot of them (if not all) are based after gods from various civilizations and cultures. That's what I mean as to their history. Also, it seems some are more powerful than others. That's interesting too.

[Belgarion]

Doesn't seem like there are a lot of System Lords left alive.  Still curious of their history.  What I mean is, a lot of them (if not all) are based after gods from various civilizations and cultures.  That's what I mean as to their history.  Also, it seems some are more powerful than others.  That's interesting too.

In the Stargate universe;

The System Lords portrayed themselves as Gods to enslave their Human workers. They controlled many planets including Earth and I would guess that myths sprang up around these System Lords. When the slaves of Earth rebelled and closed off the Stargate, I guess they perpetuated the myths of the System Lords, turning them into mythical figures of Earth, as a warning to future generations to be aware of the Go'auld. (As a Briton, I'm surprised the character of King Arthur hasn't been used in someway, given all the mythology that surrounds him. Or even Merlin.)

Some of the Go'auld did not approve of this method of passing themselves off as Gods to enslave lesser beings. They formed a resistance movement to the System Lords and became known as the Tok'rah (I think that's the correct spelling).

The System Lords also use their 'Godhood' to convince the Jaffa's (spelling?) to fight for them.

I hope this helps in some way!

[Captain Jack]

It does, many thanks

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[Erisinia]

Well, for one thing, not all of 'em are named after Earth deities; in...uh...Deadman Switch? the bounty hunter mentioned one then said something to the effect of 'You earthlings think the galaxy revolves around you!'

[Christopher]

Here's a good site for background on the various elements of the SG-verse, including both character info on the Goa'uld and the real mythology of the gods they're named for:

http://isis_athena1690.tripod.com/index1.html

[tennyson]

Here's also my own quick rundown,
Apophis or Apep, in real world mythology a massive fiery serpentine creature of diefic power who is so large that it coils around the world. It is the enemy of the sun god Ra and all civilized beings and if Apophis ever wins its nightly fight against Ra then the world will return to its primal chaos. In ancient Egypt Apophis was not worshipped but rather was overthrown by rituals ricited every day to prevent it rom destroying the world.

Ba'al, the name means "lord" and can refer to any of hundreds of locate Cannanite storm dieties that were associated with the fertility of the land. Each region of Cannan(modern day Palestine) had its own local Ba'al who was worshipped as for example, Ba'al-Hadad or Ba'al-Mequart.

Anubis, the jackal headed god of embalming, mummification and the dead in Egyptian mythology. Some considered him the son of Osiris.

Hathor, cow-headed goddess of feritility in all its forms, both in the human and natural worlds, protector of children and women giving birth. The Stargate show description of her is basically correct but leaves out a few functions of the mythical Hathor.

Heru-Ur, a falcon-headed sun god of Egypt that is sometimes identified with Osiris's son Horus.

Sokar, obscure early Egyptian god of vegatation associated with Osiris and the city of Memphis. The one on the ahow has adopted the trapping of Satan, discarding the name's Egyptian origin.

Nirrti, Hindu goddess of darkness and destruction, associated with the south and the dead.

Yu, One of the early mythical emperoros of China, said to be descended from dragons and to have created extensive waterworks that prevented flooding.

Camulus, a Celtic god of war.

Cronus, the father of Zeus in Greek mythology, an evil Titan who ate his own children when it was revealed one of them would be stronger than him. Zeus was hidden from him and when Zeus grew to adulthood he overthrew Cronus, castrated him and freed all his siblings who had been trapped in Cronus's stomach.

Tanith, chief goddess of Carthage, also a place name.

Osiris, Egyptian god of the dead, he was killed by his brother Seth who tookover the throne of Egypt. His wife Isis managed to locate all his pieces and bring him back to a kind of life where he rules the dead from the underworld. His son Horus defeated Seth and now rules Egypt in his father's place.

Seth, Egyptian god of chaos and foriegners who overthrew Osiris, known for transgressing social boundaries and his odd animal symbol.

Savrog, Slavic high god associated with the sky and lightning. He is the father of the slavic gods .

Marduk, city god of Babylon who slew Tiamat, the chaos monster to create the world and achieve his place as king of the Babylonian gods. His symbol was a kind of dragon and he was described as having four eyes and breathing fire.

Bastet, Egyptian goddess of cats and defender of households.

Morrigan, a Celtic goddess of the dead and war symboloized as a raven. She constantly scanned the battlefield, looking for men to take.

Kali, Hindu goddess, known as the dark mother. She eats her own children and is the mailgn form of the Hindu great mother goddess that is paired with the male god Shiva the destroyer. She is usually depicted as a black multiarmed goddes with the heads of several men in her hands and on her belt.

Olukun, Yoruba god of the sea. He is described as being half fish and living in a great palace under the sea which contains many riches.

Amateratsu, Japanese goddess of the sun. She is an intimate part of the mythic founding of Japan, for the emperor supposedly is a direct descendent of her after she came down from heaven.

Zipcanca, a Mayan god of rain asscoaied with the maize crop.

[Caretaker]

For the record, one of those "confirmed" dead Gou'ald

(who those have seen LOCKDOWN know) isn't quite dead

. And from what I hear,

will be back again

later in season eight.

As for Apophis, I've heard things about the season finale, MOEBIUS. And if what I hear is correct, due to

time travel, Stephen Q is right to be skeptical about A's fate

.

[SeamusSaidPoit]

Doesn't seem like there are a lot of System Lords left alive.  Still curious of their history.  What I mean is, a lot of them (if not all) are based after gods from various civilizations and cultures.  That's what I mean as to their history.  Also, it seems some are more powerful than others.  That's interesting too.

In the Stargate universe;

The System Lords portrayed themselves as Gods to enslave their Human workers. They controlled many planets including Earth and I would guess that myths sprang up around these System Lords. When the slaves of Earth rebelled and closed off the Stargate, I guess they perpetuated the myths of the System Lords, turning them into mythical figures of Earth, as a warning to future generations to be aware of the Go'auld. (As a Briton, I'm surprised the character of King Arthur hasn't been used in someway, given all the mythology that surrounds him. Or even Merlin.)

Some of the Go'auld did not approve of this method of passing themselves off as Gods to enslave lesser beings. They formed a resistance movement to the System Lords and became known as the Tok'rah (I think that's the correct spelling).

The System Lords also use their 'Godhood' to convince the Jaffa's (spelling?) to fight for them.

I hope this helps in some way!

Actually as I understand it, the ideas of the gods the Goa'uld portray don't come directly from them. The Goa'uld co-opted the already existing Earth dieties, and continued to impersonate them. The stories surrounding them and possibly later-generation Goa'uld (such as children between 'higher gods') were probably inspired by the Goa'uld themselves, but the show has always been very adamant that the Goa'uld didn't inspire the gods or religions themselves, but merely co-opted them...

[tennyson]

Well, as far as Anubis is concerned you'd be right, in his current state I don't know if they've ever shown anything on the show that can kill him so calling him dead is an overstatement but also accurate from a certain point of view.

[Caretaker]

Well, from what I've heard, most of season eight will lead up to

a final knock-down, drag-out (presumably total and final) fight between Anubis and Daniel.

This post has been edited by Caretaker: Oct 16 2004, 11:46 AM