[DWF]

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Daniel must once again decide whether to risk death or ascend when Oma Desala gives him a second chance. O'Neill and Carter struggle with their respective personal relationships.

[Nick]

Not gunna spoil anything till after it airs . . . but this one's fun.

Fairly mellow but they've got a LOT of loose ends to tie up in this one . . . I also think this episode shows us Oma at her best ever.

-Nick

[Caretaker]

I'm not sure I can take 90 minutes of Oma's "The moose cooks the food years before the ants jump on a trampoline and then follow the giant space goat" philosophical and metaphysical musings.

But I'm looking forward to this.

[foborg]

Do I remember correctly, but did the last episode end with a cliffhanger where Daniel was probably dead? Or did they resolve that already?

[Nick]

When last we left our beloved Daniel, Replicarter went Terminator on him and stabbed him, at which point he appeared mostly dead . . . and then the ship he was on disintegrated from the weapon on Dakara.

As far as Omaspeak goes . . . she's not speaking in riddles this time. It's actually pretty cool, IMHO.

-Nick

[DWF]

Well, I knew there was more to that thing than a weapon, it the engine of creation!

[Jazzer]

DWF, on Mar 11 2005, 07:45 PM, said:

Well, I knew there was more to that thing than a weapon, it the engine of creation!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So that's where Bob Engels hid it - on SG1!

(My apologies to those who are sensitive about references to Drom, but I just couldn't resist.)

[Jazzer]

At the moment all I can say is WOW! Very cool! Great episode!

This episode had so many nuances in it, I'm going to have to watch it again another time or two to try to catch it all. Loved the ending!

A lot of good lines in it like:
I'd like "Truth, with a side order of clarity."

More comments later sometime.

[Cardie]

I too was thinking, "Gosh, they shouldn't have left that Engine lying around in Vancouver."

Also, I have only just now realized that Oma is Hope from thirtysomething!

I knew who "Jim" was almost from the beginning, however--and I don't just mean the first partner of Mike Logan on Law and Order.

And, poor Pete. Not that I didn't see it coming, but he was all ready with the house and the dog.

Cardie

[DWF]

^^^Well at least they didn't off Pete.

[Jazzer]

Cardie, on Mar 11 2005, 08:39 PM, said:

And, poor Pete.  Not that I didn't see it coming, but he was all ready with the house and the dog.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I wonder if it was the dog from his TV commercial.

[Jazzer]

Having only seen this episode once so far, I might have missed something, but I got to wondering: If Anubis used to be a Gaould, then was it the symbiote that ascended? What about the host it was inhabiting? Did the host ascend, too, or just die? I'm a little confused now. Also, was Anubis ever an Ancient or just a Gaould?

[DWF]

Jazzergold, on Mar 11 2005, 10:53 PM, said:

Having only seen this episode once so far, I might have missed something, but I got to wondering:  If Anubis used to be a Gaould, then was it the symbiote that ascended?  What about the host it was inhabiting?  Did the host ascend, too, or just die?  I'm a little confused now.  Also, was Anubis ever an Ancient or just a Gaould?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Anubis was a partially ascended Goa'uld, I think his host was dead as soon as he entered the body, he seemed to be burning out his hosts one by one. And no the host didn't ascend, the body you saw in the diner wasn't his host body.

[cylkoth]

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If Anubis used to be a Gaould, then was it the symbiote that ascended? What about the host it was inhabiting? Did the host ascend, too, or just die? I'm a little confused now. Also, was Anubis ever an Ancient or just a Gaould?

Anubis was never an Ancient, just a Gould who ascended by tricking Oma. A good question about the host though, I'd have to assume that since the symbiote was the dominate entity, it was he/it that ascended, and it's original host died....

This post has been edited by cylkoth: 11 March 2005 - 11:14 PM

[Jazzer]

DWF, on Mar 11 2005, 10:03 PM, said:

Jazzergold, on Mar 11 2005, 10:53 PM, said:

Having only seen this episode once so far, I might have missed something, but I got to wondering:  If Anubis used to be a Gaould, then was it the symbiote that ascended?  What about the host it was inhabiting?  Did the host ascend, too, or just die?  I'm a little confused now.  Also, was Anubis ever an Ancient or just a Gaould?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Anubis was a partially ascended Goa'uld, I think his host was dead as soon as he entered the body, he seemed to be burning out his hosts one by one. And no the host didn't ascend, the body you saw in the diner wasn't his host body.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I didn't think it likely that the body we saw in the diner was his host body - just a virtual representation of his persona and an annoying representation at that, but I suspect that was on purpose. I had just wondered if the person the host body belonged to at the time of Anubis' ascension could have possibly ascended, too, or simply died.

[DWF]

^^^We don't even know if Anubis had a host when he first ascended.

[Caretaker]

That was... great. So much more packed in the extra time they had. Like a totally filling (and fulfilling) meal.

Loved that last scene.

[Jazzer]

DWF, on Mar 11 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

^^^We don't even know if Anubis had a host when he first ascended.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If he was a Gaould existing outside of a host body, then wouldn't he have been visibly a "snake", as Jack likes to call them? To survive, the symbiotes seem to need to be either in some kind of nourishing liquid solution or carried in a Jaffa pouch or inhabiting a host body. How could Oma not recognize a "snake"/symbiote if it wasn't inside a body? It seems more likely he could have been in a host body and Oma didn't recognize that there were actually 2 "souls" in the same body, unless maybe the host body (host-person) was freshly dead or dying.

[cylkoth]

DWF, on Mar 11 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

^^^We don't even know if Anubis had a host when he first ascended.

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It'd be hard for the worm to dial the stargate to reach the planet where Oma resided-the one SG-1 visited to find the Harciss(?) infant born of Sha're/Amonette, and trick her into teaching him how to ascend.

[Jazzer]

cylkoth, on Mar 11 2005, 10:57 PM, said:

DWF, on Mar 11 2005, 10:30 PM, said:

^^^We don't even know if Anubis had a host when he first ascended.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It'd be hard for the worm to dial the stargate to reach the planet where Oma resided-the one SG-1 visited to find the Harciss(?) infant born of Sha're/Amonette, and trick her into teaching him how to ascend.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah, ha! Good point! Good deductive reasoning there!

Thank you, "Holmes"!